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Post #911

yes MGCCQ want us to use CAMS, thats the only thing stopping me holding a couple more hillclimbs there this year.

Because CAMS treat every event as top level the requirements are much stricter.
The AASA events that we are involved with are at the fun / entry level which makes things easier.
If you go run QRDC under AASA you will find that the requirements are also stricter.

trackattack
Post #912

DASHBOARD SAFETY

Hey Guys,

I want to address the dashboards again.
Talking to the guys from QR again today and we still have safety concerns about the dashes that have been removed.
The fact that you are competing in motorsport doesn't mean that the cars can be less safe,
In many ways they need to be more safe than for road use.

We have allowed replacement dashes to be manufactured and used where you are unable to find a replacement dash.
The manufactures dashes must be approved, so far no one has asked for approval.
And further to the above original dashes are still available at a reasonable cost.

I have spoken to John at Allbrand Wrecking today 3881 1550
He will provide used dashes suitable for race cars at a discounted price for the Excel series cars.
X3 $100 and X2 $50.00

In all honesty its going to be easier and cheaper to replace the original ADR compliant dash than to try to manufacture something new.
Its certainly better than the QR guys telling you that you cant race as the car isnt safe.
And it may affect your standing in the series points, other competitors who are running their dashes will complain about cars that dont have dashes the dashless cars will be relegated to the other class.

Thanks Jeff
Track Attack

nodrog
Post #913

[quote name='trackattack' post='1285671171' date='Apr 13 2010, 05:11 PM'

I have spoken to John at Allbrand Wrecking today 3881 1550
He will provide used dashes suitable for race cars at a discounted price for the Excel series cars.
X3 $100 and X2 $50.00[/quote]


Thanks Jeff

I'm ringing him tomorrow.

After trying to make one out of ally and fibre glass, getting a used one is a pleasure.

mild2wild performance
Post #914

a standard excel dash is probably more dangerous i think foam is a much better idea and safer all Hyundai dashes are fucked and brittle

NISMOgemini
Post #915

its not for impact.. so brittle doesn't mater.. as your held in by a harness/belt.. its for your limbs that are flinging around the cabin.. to prevent them slaping up against shit behind the dash

trackattack
Post #916

Part of the reason that I keep harping on about the Dashes is Liability.
The original dash and facing is ADR approved, which means that somebody else is responsible for its design.

vlt88t
Post #917

Cheap car for sale check classifieds ad or link below-- :)

https://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....howtopic=558829

maxrs
Post #918

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9OBBKhPH0
This series can only get bigger and better.
Pity about the pair of Excels having an excursion. i know what it feels like around Lakeside.

trackattack
Post #919

TYRE SPONSORSHIP DEAL

Track Attack has negotiated a Sponsorship deal with Federal Tyres.
The tyres rules for the Excel Sprints will remain the same with the exception that the KU36 & Federal RSR will be removed from the approved list as treadwear rating is less than 200. So you can still run any road tyre with a treadwear rating above 200 UTQG

If your currently running the KU36 or RSR you will be allowed to wear those tyres out so that you are not put to unnecessary hardship.

The Control Tyre for the Circuit Racing will be the Federal FD595 (Drift Competition). We are able to get this tyre in a number of sizes to suit the Excels see the link below for pricing details. The FD595 was developed for drifting so it's tough, grippy and long lasting.

We have also negotiated special pricing on the Federal Hero HZ1 which is a well priced long lasting tyre that can be used for the sprints.

For Special Pricing for Track Attack Sprints and Racing participants follow the link below. The pricing shown for the sponsored tyres is for tyres purchased through Track Attack and will not be available at normal tyre outlets.

Pricing shown on the Federal Tyres includes delivery to one of our nominated tyre shops, or metro delivery to Brisbane, Toowoomba, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast or Rockhampton to an address where somebody will be available to sign for receipt.

Our nominated tyre shops will fit and balance your tyres for $15.oo each.
We have also negotiated for fitting at Qld Raceway, QR will fit or rotate up to 4 tyres for $40.00

Full Federal Motorsport Tyre range is also available, contact me for special pricing if we dont have your tyre size listed.

Sponsored Tyre Pricing link
http://www.trackattack.com.au/2010/#ecwid:...amp;sort=normal

Cheers Jeff
Track Attack

trackattack
Post #920

Who would like to drive on this circuit ?
Its on the northern part of the Gold Coast
Beannie
Post #921

thats the holden driver training place!

would be interesting to have a go on, sure!

Marlin
Post #922

I've driven that facility Jeff, it's pretty cool :)

wasas
Post #923

QUOTE (trackattack @ Apr 14 2010, 05:37 AM) *
Who would like to drive on this circuit ?
Its on the northern part of the Gold Coast
*PIC*


OMG yes Yes YES YES
Umm, I mean, sure I'd love to have a drive on that. I can see a few configurations that would be ALOT of fun.

I've looked at the mt cotton driver training track too and wished they would allow racing on it :\

Also Great news about the tyres. Assume Federal have a windscreen banner or some other promo/advertising stuff they would give us?

trackattack
Post #924

I spoke to them last year, but at the time I didnt have the driver base to get the numbers to be able to do it.
This year I reckon we could make it work.

Only real issue is noise, I think they were chasing 65 decibels at their boundary.
so we are talking Lakeside requirements or a bit quieter.

NISMOgemini
Post #925

nice work jeff on the tires.. ill be getting them for mine once im back from holidays and actually have an exel ready to build :)

PRO050
Post #926

Nice work on the tyre deal Jeff.
Well priced, interested to see if they give better grip level than the tyre being used at the moment.
Cheers Paul

NISMOgemini
Post #927

are there many people sing single cams?? or mainly all twin cams?

Beannie
Post #928

QUOTE (wasas @ Apr 14 2010, 08:24 AM) *
OMG yes Yes YES YES
Umm, I mean, sure I'd love to have a drive on that. I can see a few configurations that would be ALOT of fun.

I've looked at the mt cotton driver training track too and wished they would allow racing on it :\

Also Great news about the tyres. Assume Federal have a windscreen banner or some other promo/advertising stuff they would give us?



the ability for a few configurations certainly is good.

what would be good in this series are some left hand turns :) there's only 1 at lakeside and a couple at QR (depending on which track)
everything else is right hand turns...(lefthand side tyre wear!)

trackattack
Post #929

QUOTE (NISMOgemini @ Apr 14 2010, 09:12 AM) *
are there many people sing single cams?? or mainly all twin cams?


Mine is a single.


HEY STEVE,

What issues did you guys have with scrutineering for the circuit racing.
I seem to remember you mentioning tow hooks ?????
anything else ?

Thanks Jeff

wasas
Post #930

Tow hooks needed to be proper ones, not just the tie down points we were going to use. - they let it slide, but said we have the possibly of ripping it straight off. I dont see how as the car is ~850kg, unless they go full throttle trying to pull us out of the sand.
Roll cage - wanted 6pt. as they said will allow 4pt for top gun circuit.
we were a little worried about a secondary bonnet tie down, but we didn't mention it. have purchased flush mounts for secondary pins now but still need to get them installed. the stock bonnet has a 2 mech lock so I think they will let it pass.
we made sure we had a second throttle spring, and all our gear was new and sorted.
apart from the looks and comments about it being pretty stock we had a ball :)

But tow hooks and cage were the main sticking points.
And after that roll over on sunday with no cage it should prove they are strong enough if SOMEHOW you manage to flip it.

NISMOgemini
Post #931

hardly strong enough without a cage... previously in this thread someone mentioned they weren't going all that fast.. and it was in teh sand trap.. so alot of speed would have been scrubbed off before it happened. flipping it with a bit of speed on the track the roof will crumble like a coke can

vlt88t
Post #932

Agreed, the price of a roll cage is a small amount to pay for your safety, to go off at high speed through the kink on the main straight at Lakeside and loose it and flip would not be getting out of it so easy !!

PRO050
Post #933

QUOTE (NISMOgemini @ Apr 14 2010, 10:12 AM) *
hardly strong enough without a cage... previously in this thread someone mentioned they weren't going all that fast.. and it was in teh sand trap.. so alot of speed would have been scrubbed off before it happened. flipping it with a bit of speed on the track the roof will crumble like a coke can

^^^^ x2 It was a very slow roll over.

slow bus
Post #934

The Holden driver training centre would be a great track, I am booked to have a fang around there in a couple of weeks.

Has anyone mounted a tow hook to the front, I have been scratching my head on what to do.

Do you have a list of place to get the tyres fitted and when is the deal available in need to get the excel shod

PRO050
Post #935

Jeff may be you can chime in here, why would they get questioned for having a 1/2 cage when in there own regs clearly states min 1/2 cage?

benno.h
Post #936

+ 1 for Norwell (or Norwich or whatever it is). Awesome track to drive and a convenient location.

benno.h
Post #937

QUOTE (PRO050 @ Apr 14 2010, 10:27 AM) *
Jeff may be you can chime in here, why would they get questioned for having a 1/2 cage when in there own regs clearly states min 1/2 cage?


I think the scrutineer was just being a dick. There was a fair few other cars out there with 1/2 cages, we ended up talking to the chief course marshall and he said it was fine. Jeff spoke to him as well, it should be a non-issue - a 1/2 cage is FINE for what we're doing.

Evaded Motorsport
Post #938

QUOTE (wasas @ Apr 14 2010, 09:54 AM) *
Tow hooks needed to be proper ones, not just the tie down points we were going to use. - they let it slide, but said we have the possibly of ripping it straight off. I dont see how as the car is ~850kg, unless they go full throttle trying to pull us out of the sand.
Roll cage - wanted 6pt. as they said will allow 4pt for top gun circuit.
we were a little worried about a secondary bonnet tie down, but we didn't mention it. have purchased flush mounts for secondary pins now but still need to get them installed. the stock bonnet has a 2 mech lock so I think they will let it pass.
we made sure we had a second throttle spring, and all our gear was new and sorted.
apart from the looks and comments about it being pretty stock we had a ball :)

But tow hooks and cage were the main sticking points.
And after that roll over on sunday with no cage it should prove they are strong enough if SOMEHOW you manage to flip it.


It isn't about flipping it it is about side intrusion.

mr_squiggle_1
Post #939

The main issue with tow hooks is generally the standard ones are tucked away under or behind a bumper. When you get stuck in a gravel trap and dig yourself in deep putting a tow rope on this can be hard, and when you do get it on there when pulling you out it can damage your front bar/rear bar which ever it may be.

When you fit a proper tow point that protrudes from the body work and is coloured bright red, it is not only easy to see when rushing to get events back under way, it is also easy to access. It will also prevent any damage.

For the sake of maybe $20 in materials is it really worth not having one?



- In regards to the roll over, as stated it was at a reduced speed.

I would not like to be in one of these things and having an issue at speed (like through the kink for example). They are designed to a certain level to pass road laws but I would not consider relying on it at speeds above road paces.

- 1/2 Cages are fine. I am unsure why the scrutineer would have had an issue, I will have a chat to those guys and see what the issue was.

benno.h
Post #940

QUOTE (mr_squiggle_1 @ Apr 14 2010, 10:36 AM) *
The main issue with tow hooks is generally the standard ones are tucked away under or behind a bumper. When you get stuck in a gravel trap and dig yourself in deep putting a tow rope on this can be hard, and when you do get it on there when pulling you out it can damage your front bar/rear bar which ever it may be.

When you fit a proper tow point that protrudes from the body work and is coloured bright red, it is not only easy to see when rushing to get events back under way, it is also easy to access. It will also prevent any damage.

For the sake of maybe $20 in materials is it really worth not having one?



- In regards to the roll over, as stated it was at a reduced speed.

I would not like to be in one of these things and having an issue at speed (like through the kink for example). They are designed to a certain level to pass road laws but I would not consider relying on it at speeds above road paces.

- 1/2 Cages are fine. I am unsure why the scrutineer would have had an issue, I will have a chat to those guys and see what the issue was.


It was the same guy who had an issue with our tow hooks. At no time did he mention visibility of it may be a problem - it was clearly indicated by the sticker. What he said was that it may rip off if it was used - which is absurd. While there is one that is a bit dodgy the ones that are mounted to the actual chassis are far stronger than any red painted $20 eyelet.

Marlin
Post #941

Anyone running any car out there doesn't HAVE to have aftermarket tow hooks. It is merely a suggestion.

Maybe the propensity of Excels to find themselves in more strife prompted a suggestion from the officials to fit a tow hook. I was there, they didn't demand it, they just warned they take no responsibility.

PRO050
Post #942

QUOTE (mr_squiggle_1 @ Apr 14 2010, 10:36 AM) *
The main issue with tow hooks is generally the standard ones are tucked away under or behind a bumper. When you get stuck in a gravel trap and dig yourself in deep putting a tow rope on this can be hard, and when you do get it on there when pulling you out it can damage your front bar/rear bar which ever it may be.

When you fit a proper tow point that protrudes from the body work and is coloured bright red, it is not only easy to see when rushing to get events back under way, it is also easy to access. It will also prevent any damage.

For the sake of maybe $20 in materials is it really worth not having one?



- In regards to the roll over, as stated it was at a reduced speed.

I would not like to be in one of these things and having an issue at speed (like through the kink for example). They are designed to a certain level to pass road laws but I would not consider relying on it at speeds above road paces.

- 1/2 Cages are fine. I am unsure why the scrutineer would have had an issue, I will have a chat to those guys and see what the issue was.

THANKS for clearing the cage deal up, and for under $600 for a 1/2 cage buys you cheep insurance.

benno.h
Post #943

QUOTE (Marlin @ Apr 14 2010, 10:53 AM) *
Anyone running any car out there doesn't HAVE to have aftermarket tow hooks. It is merely a suggestion.

Maybe the propensity of Excels to find themselves in more strife prompted a suggestion from the officials to fit a tow hook. I was there, they didn't demand it, they just warned they take no responsibility.


They said they'd accept no responsibility for ripping our tow hook off. Which is fair enough, but the premise the entire conversation was based on is absurd.

I'm not against safety equipment by any stretch of the imagination, I just think inconsistent and illogical application of their own rules is doing NO ONE any favours.

Marlin
Post #944

:) You haven't even bugun experience illogical and inconsistent yet, wait until you deal with CAMS or attend a CAMS sanctioned event, with CAMS scrutineers :)

Stay calm man.

NISMOgemini
Post #945

if i was the guy towing people out i would crack the shits at having to dig under teh car to find the stock points.. makes sense for them to request a visible easy access item, even if its not required by any rules

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