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MadXL
Post #721

hey all Excel Drivers, SWAY BARS
i have been in chats with jeff about the bars we can use as i already went out and got mine i have a nice new 18mm on the rear but was told by whiteline they only made a 22mm solid to replace the orig 22mm hollow front bar which they no longer make due to lack of sales(bad timing for them), and jeff is talking about staying with 18mm on the fronts as well, but i think there would not be any benifit, not that i think a supplier will make anything less than a 22mm sports bar, we need to know what others think and know about Excel front sway bar and do you want 22mm front solids or search for 18mm bars or stick with the standard.
Dave

trackattack
Post #722

i spy an excel

brendo12
Post #723

lol i was joking bout the 1500$ excel, mine owes me 3500 without cage and tyres, and doing everything myself at work....are we allowed to cut out the doors etc???a guy mentioned it before, doesnt the body have to stay original?

MadXL
Post #724

spec's are on trackattack.com.au

brendo12
Post #725

QUOTE (MadXL @ Mar 29 2010, 08:05 PM) *
spec's are on trackattack.com.au


was this answering my question?im confused, ive read the specs...body is to stay original? if this was aimed at something else, please disregard, cheers

trackattack
Post #726

At this stage the body and panels are to be unmodified.
If there is support I will look at permitting the removal of some material where a full 6 point cage with intrusion cars is installed
Its just not safe to remove metal from a car that hasn't been reinforced.

cheers Jeff

brendo12
Post #727

fair enough, keep the body's original, itl start with people cutting shit out of doors and boots etc, then people will be aloud f'glass bonnets and panels, it will never end...i hope the guy reads it before he fires his grinder up lol

wasas
Post #728

QUOTE (trackattack @ Mar 29 2010, 07:53 PM) *
i spy an excel



And a driver shitting himself as the 2 quickest cars were sideways coming onto the main straight. I swear my brand new suit smells funky.
from the drivers seat watching that v8 drift within 2 feet of the front bumper... man words escape me. I didn't know how much further out of the way way i could of gotten! :thumbsup:

MadXL
Post #729

QUOTE (wasas @ Mar 29 2010, 09:57 PM) *
And a driver shitting himself as the 2 quickest cars were sideways coming onto the main straight. I swear my brand new suit smells funky.
from the drivers seat watching that v8 drift within 2 feet of the front bumper... man words escape me. I didn't know how much further out of the way way i could of gotten! :thumbsup:



Game man, how did you compare to the field, mid field or slower? whats ya PB.
Dave

wasas
Post #730

slower.. well slower. Dougie in his EH was close, about 3 sec difference, had him in the corners but he'd just walk away on the straights.

But everything else there was out to compete. punch for punch (1500cc vs a 20b turbo/6l gen3 v8/400+ hp cosworth turbo/etc) i didn't think we went too bad. The handicap race at the end was much closer, even if I did get a 40 second head start for 3 laps....
that and we *just* made it to the servo afterwards. would of had 5km of fuel left. if there was a field of excels would there it would of been sooo much fun!

slow bus
Post #731

QUOTE (trackattack @ Mar 29 2010, 08:16 PM) *
At this stage the body and panels are to be unmodified.
If there is support I will look at permitting the removal of some material where a full 6 point cage with intrusion cars is installed
Its just not safe to remove metal from a car that hasn't been reinforced.

cheers Jeff


So the entire body is to be untouched both internal and exterior skins.

Are we making race cars or posers, 2 ways to make a race car go fast add more power or make it lighter, since we are capped on the power side of things if you want to go fast then it has to be more stripped down than Alfie Langer at the Normanby

trackattack
Post #732

I personally would like the rule to be
- that uncaged cars cant remove or modify any of the original metalwork.
- that 6 point fully caged cars with both side intrusion bars can remove non structural metalwork, but not alter the exterior panels.

Unless there is a huge backlash against this then I will probably instigate the above.
what do people think ?

wasas
Post #733

how much non structual metal work in in the body?!! I mean ours is empty...


QUOTE
- that uncaged cars cant remove or modify any of the original metalwork.
- that 6 point fully caged cars with both side intrusion bars can remove stock side intrusion bars.



I like this ^^

@SlowBus, they are never going to be that quick, but they are fun when your racing someone else while going at the same speed and hvae the same handling characteristics :thumbsup:

Marlin
Post #734

QUOTE (wasas @ Mar 30 2010, 09:10 AM) *
how much non structual metal work in in the body?!! I mean ours is empty...





I like this ^^

@SlowBus, they are never going to be that quick, but they are fun when your racing someone else while going at the same speed and hvae the same handling characteristics :thumbsup:

Gosh, I cannot agree more! Why spend heaps of time and money making them fast, or at least, faster, or, less slow :oopsie:? The aim of the series is CHEAP fun, not sub 60 Lakeside laps! Have ten of them running around together, door to door, evenly matched, THAT is the aim of the game. Get your heads around that and you'll have much more fun, not worrying about what demon tweak Billy Bloggs is doing to his between rounds.

slow bus
Post #735

Everything is always alot more fun when you are winning, and since most of the cars are running sprints it wont be door to door racing.

Removing some non essential sheet metal is not going to compromise the structural integrity of the car, I think there will be about 10kg to remove, maybe a little more if the intrusion bars are removed from the doors.

So where do we stop with weight reduction
Remove rear wiper and motor
Remove front wipers (use rainex)
Strip out non required wiring

Any other ideas?

nodrog
Post #736

No matter what metal is removed we need to make sure that they are still safe, or the powers that be will just ban them altogether if we start using cars that are so stripped out that they become unsafe/unpredicatble.

Yes the idea is to improve the power to weight ratio, but not at the sake of safety. In a shunt I want as much strong sound steel around me as I can get, thanks.

Jeff, if there is side intrusion beams as part of the roll cage, then the removal of the stock side intrusion beam should be ok, but there will be no real weight loss as the roll cage side beam will probably weigh more the the stock one.

Marlin
Post #737

Win with skill then, not because your car's lighter. I know it's not door to door racing, it was a poor metaphore for the timed laps. And we all know that when there's a few evenly matched cars on track near eachother it turns into a bit of a dice :thumbsup:

We obviously see the series different. I won't get into it if there needs to be much preperation to the car needed, I have a real car I'd prefer to spend time and money on. The attraction to the series for me was an excel can be kind of treated like a "tear-off", if you blow it up or bend it, just get another and swap your bolt in cage and tyres over into another $500 excel and you're away again.......

wasas
Post #738

QUOTE (Marlin @ Mar 30 2010, 10:04 AM) *
Win with skill then, not because your car's lighter.

We obviously see the series different. I won't get into it if there needs to be much preperation to the car needed, I have a real car I'd prefer to spend time and money on. The attraction to the series for me was an excel can be kind of treated like a "tear-off", if you blow it up or bend it, just get another and swap your bolt in cage and tyres over into another $500 excel and you're away again.......


This.
Stock body. Save arguments. We are running and need to keep our shitbox road legal, so most people have an advantage on us already.. but its too much fun to give a shit about.
come circuit racing for door to door action :thumbsup:

nodrog
Post #739

QUOTE (wasas @ Mar 30 2010, 10:10 AM) *
Stock body. Save arguments.



Sounds good to me. Leave all the stock metal in place and add to it if you like, but the complete stock body sheel is the benchmark.

NISMOgemini
Post #740

nice. my spair wheels are exactly that 15x7 ET38 :unsure: win

QUOTE (slow bus @ Mar 29 2010, 07:32 PM) *
They have 38 stamped on the back of them so assuming they are 38. It is the biggest rim you can fit under the guard of an excel, and I only paid $100 for the set, they are strainght balanced and no cracks

so using 4 of the QR "special" tyres, wheels and tyres will be under $500 :thumbsup:

I have pulled half a 20l bucket of sound deadener out already and still have the front to go, going to attack the doors and rear section with a grinder to pull out more weight, with a bit of work I think you can get them under 900kg including cage :oopsie:

trackattack
Post #741

It may be possible to run a race / sprint / Hillclimb series over 5 or 6 different tracks if there is enough interest.

Lakeside
Qld Raceway
Mt Cotton Hillclimb
Carnell Raceway (Stanthorpe)
Morgan Park (Warwick)
Oakburn park Raceway (Tamworth)

What sort of interest is there in a Pro-Series like that ?

wasas
Post #742

Tamworth = too far.
carnell/warwick = hike but doable for a weekend series kidna thing. for one day I think its a bit much.

A hillclimb/sprint/circuit pro series would be EPIC!

trackattack
Post #743

Talon Tyres - 3 days notice required

205 x 50 x 15 - $65
195 x 50 x 15 - $60
185 x 60 x 14 - $60
175 X 70 X 13 - $55

other sizes also available

I think that these will be a similar product to a Nankang tyre.

Price includes fitting and balancing if collected from QR (maybe also lakeside...tbc)
You can buy them direct from track attack.
Courier is usually about $25.00 if you want them delivered.

Also available Compomotive 6 spoke wheels
15x8 + 10 offset - $150.00 each, waiting on confirmation on the PCD

nodrog
Post #744

QUOTE (trackattack @ Mar 30 2010, 04:06 PM) *
Talon Tyres - 3 days notice required

205 x 50 x 15 - $65
195 x 50 x 15 - $60
185 x 60 x 14 - $60
175 X 70 X 13 - $55

other sizes also available


Well done Jeff.

Wow those prices are amazing......looks like 4 tyres coming up!!!!

Who do we contact to check on other sizes?

trackattack
Post #745

QUOTE (nodrog @ Mar 30 2010, 04:12 PM) *
Who do we contact to check on other sizes?


those are the sizes closest to the requirements for the Excels.

Let me know what other sizes you need and I can follow up on them.
pretty certain you can get them in big sizes for bigger cars etc.

Big_Red_
Post #746

wow good work on those tyres.

On a side note, has anyone hooked up an after market tacho? Turns out i'm not much of an auto electrician.

nodrog
Post #747

Are aftermarket fuel cells allowed??

Based on previous comments I would guess not, but just want to check. Just tyring to find space to fit my new muffler.

nodrog
Post #748

QUOTE (trackattack @ Mar 30 2010, 04:06 PM) *
Price includes fitting and balancing if collected from QR (maybe also lakeside...tbc)


Who do I contact to arrange for purchasing and fitting at QR. Have the day off on Tuesday so could do it then :thumbsup:

slow bus
Post #749

QUOTE (Big_Red_ @ Mar 30 2010, 04:23 PM) *
wow good work on those tyres.

On a side note, has anyone hooked up an after market tacho? Turns out i'm not much of an auto electrician.


Depending on what model you have, take the source from behind the dash it is the white wire

MadXL
Post #750

QUOTE (trackattack @ Mar 30 2010, 08:11 AM) *
I personally would like the rule to be
- that uncaged cars cant remove or modify any of the original metalwork.
- that 6 point fully caged cars with both side intrusion bars can remove non structural metalwork, but not alter the exterior panels.

Unless there is a huge backlash against this then I will probably instigate the above.
what do people think ?



I Already knocked the front on my car and the metal in these is light weight and very workable I would keep as much as the metal as you can, i have most my interiour out but i have some with full cars doing 4 sec's better that me and i am a light weight guy, focus on engine health and getting around corners, tyres

MadXL
Post #751

QUOTE (Big_Red_ @ Mar 30 2010, 04:23 PM) *
wow good work on those tyres.

On a side note, has anyone hooked up an after market tacho? Turns out i'm not much of an auto electrician.



Yep white wire that go's in the ECU high up inside of fire wall above go pedal take a good light and a back brace

MadXL
Post #752

QUOTE (Big_Red_ @ Mar 30 2010, 04:23 PM) *
wow good work on those tyres.

On a side note, has anyone hooked up an after market tacho? Turns out i'm not much of an auto electrician.



Yep white wire that go's in the ECU high up inside of fire wall above go pedal take a good light and a back brace

brendo12
Post #753

i agree with keeping a stock body, they'l never be the fastest cars out there anyway.........keep it a simple, basic and even series..

MadXL
Post #754

hey all Excel Drivers, SWAY BARS
i have been in chats with jeff about the bars we can use as i already went out and got mine i have a nice new 18mm on the rear but was told by whiteline they only made a 22mm solid to replace the orig 22mm hollow front bar which they no longer make due to lack of sales(bad timing for them), and jeff is talking about staying with 18mm on the fronts as well, but i think there would not be any benifit, not that i think a supplier will make anything less than a 22mm sports bar, we need to know what others think and know about Excel front sway bar and do you want 22mm front solids or search for 18mm bars or stick with the standard.
Dave

slow bus
Post #755

QUOTE (MadXL @ Mar 30 2010, 07:29 PM) *
Yep white wire that go's in the ECU high up inside of fire wall above go pedal take a good light and a back brace


It is alot easier to take the source from the back of the guage cluster. The wire is still there even if you dont have a factory tacho

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