Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

brendo12

why dont we all run the same tire??maybe not right now because of people tht may have just recently bought a new set but next season or something? that is going to be the fairest way of doing it...work out this season what the best "value for money" tire, if you would like to call it actually is, try and get a good deal on it and keep everyone even and happy??

i am getting front pads made by qfm, ill see how they go and if theyre a good thing theyre also very cheap....so in the future maybe everyone could use the same pad? ($65) for their racing material...3-4 week wait though..

also late model honda rims are 4x114.3 and with a 6mm spacer do the trick, should be alot of them around (prelude, accord)

i have been quoted 220 also for an 18mm rear swaybar through performance suspension on the coast...maybe slightly cheaper..

i think keeping both door cards and the dash panel is a sensible idea...otherwise it starts looking to bloody serious for such a standard form of racing, (well look like fukwits)

if anyone here on the gold coast wants to check over their car for mechanical and safety issues i am more than willing to let you put it on the hoist at work, just PM me..

If everyone stays sensible about everything, stops whinging about who's spending more than some uni student everyone will have a lot of fun, at the end of the day, WE ARE RACING HYUNDAI EXCELS, not 300000.000 porshes....harden the fuck upand just enjoy it i recon!!!!

also thanks to jeff for answering all my questions ive been having, your doing well sorting out the rules mate!

Big_Red_

Was that a crack at me?

brendo12

??? the uni student part? or the whinging part? it was just a phrase mate, i'm sure you'll live

Big_Red_

I think you're being a bit dramatic here mate....as far as I can see one bloke was unhappy about the dash rule but as stated above for $50 that's easily fixed. Most of the other stuff has just been a throw around of ideas and opinions.

If Prelude wheels fit with a spacer as you say though that would be good. Obviously with the centre bored out as well.

Beannie

i like the idea of a control tyre

trackattack

A few of our regulars are going circuit racing at queensland raceway tomorrow.
Its free for spectators so come and check out the action.

Sedans
HQ's
Sports Cars
Racing Cars
Superkarts

A huge round of applause for Pork Hunt Racing's - Steve Wheeler, Ben Hew & Rhys Foster for already preparing their Excel for racing and turning up and having a go !

Qualifying from 8:30 am
We race on every track configuration, its a great day out !

brendo12

yeah thats right big red.....i was just lucky with the set i picked up someone had already played with them..
bak in nz the sports saloon series ran a controlled tire...was a kumho, but they had sponsored the series....just an idea. I havnt even done a sprint yet but just trying to come up with a few ideas that are going to benefit everyone in the long run

trackattack

I think that we will eventually end up with a control tyre for the circuit racing,
which will also be the preferred tyre for sprinting,
with the possibility of a few other approved road tyres for sprinting to allow some flexibility for the new guys
plus an amnesty on running other tyres for the new cars to allow them track time to learn about the cars and circuits.

I was offered an extremely good deal on semi slicks,
but you guys said the ongoing cost of a full semi slick wasnt where you wanted to go.

I still think a very high level road tyre like the Toyo Proxes R1R will work well for us and keep the costs down on consumables.

brendo12

has anyone got pics of their cages ? it would be great to see how people have done them? thanks guys

nodrog

I was the one questioning the dash rule as I was under the impression that the dash could be removed as I had seen a few at LS without the dash. Mine was stuffed so I threw it out, and now it seem I need to replace it.

Jeff do you know if this price applies to X2 dash's as well? If so, problem solved

nodrog

Should have mine finished tomorrow and will post pics!! Then I can start on the exhaust and motor, and finally the brakes and suspension!!!!

slow bus

That was from Tyre Zone at Capalaba, If someone asked Paul from option 1 nicely enough I sure he will do a good price for the group

trackattack

not sure, phone Chuck and ask him 07 5491 6897 or 0411565174
he is very keen to look after the guys who are racing the Excels
he has a commodore that he runs at the sprints at Lakeside.

NISMOgemini

agree. one tire for everyone would be the best

NOS440

well if youre going to be doing that, better make a decision then, because i have just bought some 15" rims and will be getting some good tyres for them soon. dont want to have to change them because they are not the correct control tyre...that is unnecessary expenditure

nodrog

This guy has some Silvia wheels for sale bluegtr2600

Here is his reply to my PM..
i think they are 15x6 maybe 6.5 2 have legal tyres 2 dont $100 for the set

Hope it helps someone.

Innuendo

Tyre Zone have got it wrong or they are costing themselves about $50 a tyre, I would suggest that price would be for a KU31 seeing as the KU36 doesn't come in that size.

wasas

man.
THAT WAS SOO MUCH FUN! Circuit racing at QR today was fucking unreal. the reverse handicap start was sweet, if I didn't spin I would of been up there
Mixed drivers all day but QR national PB was a 1.40

PRO050

I was out there for the Saturday practice and had a ball, nice work getting out there and having a go.
Cheers Paul

zuboo

i was at the sat practice as well busy morning, but came out for a look at top gear racing today, your a keen man racing a XL on your own, but when the rest come you will have a step up in experience before the rest.

gutless

just starting my excel on its weight loss program this weekend so should be ready in about a month or so. all things going well

just a few questions that have come to mind

i used to race with cams and part of our safety requirements were to have a:
1 0.9kg fire extinguisher
2 proper tow points front and rear of the vehicle painted in contrast
3 blue or contrast battery triangle to mark battery position
4 battery isolator switch.

i know you guys are not running cams insurance predominantly but i would like to know if these things are recommended, required or not deemed as yet for this level of racing. thanks

also would like to say this is one of the best entry level circuit racing ideas ever. genius :bowdown:

and to all the pansies out there whinging about cost and affordability who said racing was cheap. this is as cheaper form of racing as you will find(used to spend 500 to 1000 between meets just on maintenance and upgrades and then race weekend was easily 700, and that was considered cheap). of course there will be rule changes the program is only kicking off and there is obviously quite competent people organising it so get over it. it is budget racing not centrelink sprints. at the end of the day if you cant afford to be competitive i guarantee you will still have a ball until you can afford it, and by then you will have some track time under your belt which is infinately more valuable than anything you can afford obviously

trackattack

There are 3 levels of competition that we will be competing in with the Excels.

1 - Sprints
2 - Entry Level Topgear circuit racing
3 - Competitive level Qld Racing Drivers Championship

SPRINTS
For the sprints the only safety requirement is what is required in a normal road car, nothing extra.
See Here - http://www.trackattack.com.au/sprints

RACING
General requirements for racing see here -
http://www.trackattack.com.au/forms/circui...and_apparel.pdf

Scrutineering form see here -
http://www.trackattack.com.au/forms/circui...it%20racing.pdf

Topgear is aimed at having fun in a circuit racing setting.
So the safety requirements are relaxed compared to full on circuit racing.

You are required to have half roll cage with hoop above the driver
markings for tow points and battery isolator / position (which we sell for $20 a sheet)
proper race seat and harness
basic race suit (we will be importing some more soon)

QRDC is the next step up
At this level you require a full 6 point roll cage
double layer race suit
markings for tow points and battery position
etc etc etc - full racing safety requirements


At this early stage of the series we wont be running the QRDC events, but may do later if there is enough competitor interest.
We are running the full topgear series this year as well as all of the sprint rounds.

EXCEL SERIES FOR 2010

Qld Raceway Sprint Series
Lakeside Raceway Sprint Series
Carnell Raceway 1 Day Sprint Event (Easter Saturday)
Dirt Sprint Series at Willowbank Park Raceway
Topgear Racing Series at QR and LP

Cheers Jeff
Track Attack

trackattack

You guys did really well, and to have the hardened HQ guys coming over and showing an interest in your car really shows the level of cost is where it needs to be
Hopefully we can track down some video footage and photo's !

results on Natsoft - http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?28/03/2010.QR1

I reckon we might get 4 or 5 excels at the next circuit race meeting at Lakeside in May, should be a blast !

trackattack

I am about to order in some new racewear, so now is you chance to get the colour you want in the size you want.

GLOVES - SFI – Nomex & Leather
Sizes: XS to 4XL
Price $120.00 – On Special $60.00

RACE SUITS SINGLE LAYER
SFI Fire Resistant Cotton
Price $300.00 – On Special $250.00

RACE SUITS DOUBLE LAYER
SFI Fire Resistant Cotton and Nomex
Price $500.00 – On Special $400.00

RACE SUITS SINGLE LAYER
SFI Double layer Nomex
Price $550.00 – On Special $450.00

Sizes: XS to 3XL

BOOTS - SFI – Nomex & Leather
Sizes: 36 to 47
Price $165.00 – On Special $80.00

NOMEX BALACLAVA SFI Nomex
Sizes: One Size fits All
Colours: White/Natural
Price $40.00 – On Special $35.00

NOMEX SOCKS SFI Nomex
Sizes: One Size fits All
Colours: Natural or Black
Price $40.00 – On Special $35.00

NOMEX UNDERWEAR SFI Nomex
Sizes: XS to 3XL
Colours: Natural or Black
Price $180.00 – On Special $150.00

wasas

some notes from our experience on setup, (as we had all the points listed above address..)
the tow points shouldn't be the std tie down points, you kinda need to look at proper tow points down the track.
the battery iso switch/rip cord never got a mention for us, even though its done.
the F/E was installed, kinda silly not to have one really.
our cage got some going over. thye didn't really like the idea of a 4pt, and seriously looking at it coming back home I'd wanna consider a 6pt sooner rather than later.
secondary bonnet catch, still ran fine, guess they consider the stock 2 catch sufficient.



Jeff, The Old salts from QR (names illude me.. Keith + the other manager?) were talking about a tyre for a seriously good price when I had a chat to them. some yum cha brand they are importing but was <80 a corner.
might be worth a quick follow up.

Also your race gear IS FUCKING CHEAP. We just got a full kit and it was over $150 more, so its well worth it.

trackattack

The Tyre is a "Talon" by Triangle Tyres (Nicknamed Golden Triangle)
I dont know much about them other than what the QR guys have told me.
It might be worth throwing some on a set of wheels and let a few guys run them and see how the feel.

slow bus

What size do they come in? I have 15x7 and there is only about 6mm between the rear struts and the tyre with 195/50

trackattack

SWAYBARS

Back onto the swaybars for a minute.
I need some idea of numbers to see if its worth doing a group buy and get whiteline to bring some more in.

Rear 18mm bar BHR45
Front 18mm bar BHR41

RRP $204.00 - GBP - $ 195 each

if nobody is interested thats cool, but i need to know if its worth pursuing on not.
cheers Jeff

NISMOgemini

what offset are teh rims your using (the 15x7's)

HRD-GTR

I've got a set of standard S13 alloys. They're 15*6 +40 I think. $100 if anyone wants them. Have near new 205/60 tyres, but I'm sure the tyres will be too big for the Excels. You might be able to sell those on though.

trackattack

The Excel racing is in the current Suburban Trader again ($2 at newsagents)
couple photos on the front page and a whole page story on page 29

gutless

thanks was just wondering if i had to put these on the shopping list
dont really want to look like a nob just cause overlooked something.lol.

brendo12

i am aiming to be ready for circuit racing by the beginning of may......theres a few of ya's that are obviously already setup.....what sorta numbers do we think will be ready around the late april through may stage???
im about to buy tires soon so just like the other guy said, if this season we do use a controlled tire hopefully we can sort it out in the next month or two...that way people that are building cars at the moment and in the near future will no what the go is. Either that or wait until next season, i dont really care...who is running a decent set at the moment and what are their opinions on which one is preferred??? it would be great if we were all spinning out on the same tire!!!

A fire extinguisher is a great idea, for the price of one you would be a fool to see your $1500.00 excel burn down lol

wasas

if a control tyre comes in it'll be for circuit, and will be preferred for sprints. if you have rubber you can run it out first so dont hold back on buying some, the toyos jeff mentions are apparently pretty good, the KU36's are great value from option one. I was dealing with storm, make a mention its for the excel series and he should help u out a little otherwise the achillies 123's are cheap, ratings vary. My advice, Contact Keith at QR or Jeff and try a set of the talons. they are 1/2 the price of every other bit of rubber we were looking at.

and I hate to break it to you but its no longer a $1500 excel hell car and tyres alone were more.. then you start with the cage seat springs sway... look at about 3k you have a competitive series racecar.

as for times, our first run out on lakeside was a 75. all of us had never driven the track before. I was squeeling the whole way round on the horrible 500TWR rubber. my team mate who drive smooth and has done lots of cams stuff in open wheelers ran the same time, so hes running a slightly better line but I'm pushing harder. rubber should be good for 4 seconds on lakeside. a stiffer chassis (eg a cage, bolt in for read legal, welded if your just going to tow it,) should be good for another 1. knowing the track should be good for about another 2-3. so in theory that puts us up around the 67-68 mark which is where the front boys are with all of that.

still just go and have fun cause they are a hoot!

slow bus

They have 38 stamped on the back of them so assuming they are 38. It is the biggest rim you can fit under the guard of an excel, and I only paid $100 for the set, they are strainght balanced and no cracks

so using 4 of the QR "special" tyres, wheels and tyres will be under $500

I have pulled half a 20l bucket of sound deadener out already and still have the front to go, going to attack the doors and rear section with a grinder to pull out more weight, with a bit of work I think you can get them under 900kg including cage