Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

trackattack

I have been talking to some of the tyre wholesalers and I might be able to put together a tyre deal. There are a few ways that this can be approached.

1 - we get a large discount on a full semi slick race tyre
2 - We get a reasonable discount on a high level road tyre
3 - We get a set of tyres as a prize for the winner of the circuit racing series

If we wish, the tyre agreement can be made for the circuit racing only, that gives us the ability to allow a few extra types of tyres to be used at the sprints like we do now, but also hopefully get a good deal on a tyre that can be used for sprints and circuit racing.

Thoughts ?

nodrog

Is it possible to run circuit and sprint on the same type of tyres?

With it being budget type racing having to have another set of rims tyres is not a luxury we can all afford. It would be a nice idea to be able to run the cars the same all year and still provide a levelish playing field.

Just my 2c worth.

trackattack

Yes, if we do a tyre deal the tyres would be included in the tyre list for sprints
so you would be able to run the same tyres at both events.

benno.h

We've just forked out for tyres, so I'd rather not have to buy new ones if there's going to be a control tyre for circuit racing. And we specifically didn't buy the Federal RSRs because we thought semi slicks were prohibited, so it would kinda suck to see everyone running semi slicks now.

And getting another set of rims may be difficult.

trackattack

If we did it an Amnesty period would be in place to allow people to run out their current tyres.
and yes I still think we should avoid semi slicks if we can due to ongoing costs.

wasas

The RSR's anyway..

For the record PM me what tyre you were thinking about. Ideally we'd throw a sticker on and get cheap rubber. While not a control tyre the price vs handling would just have to be better than the other options

And yeah 15" Hyundai rims aren't the easiest thing to come across..


I wonder if there will be ANY excels racing circuit?

NISMOgemini

il be down for a set of cheap tires for sprints.. even tho i dont have a car yet iv got my rims sorted.. so if theres a good deal on tires ill grab them now for later in the year. keep me posted

sv8nato

that would suck now if you allowed semi slicks cause i picked up a tyre sponsor for my car but not for slicks,i think if i had to change to slicks now i would lose that sponsor,and i dont think it will be a cheap option for alot of people

NISMOgemini

if you wanna run circuit with a better tire, get another set of wheel i reckon. u can get 15's for less then half what the tires you put on them are gonna cost you. hardly gonna break the bank.

DVS88

the new swifts run a 15inch steelie which should be able to be picked up cheap enuf i have tried one on my pintara and it has perfect offset on it which give the right offset on an excel

X3man

Why not change the rules for next season.

On a side note:
You can use elantra 4 stud rims for 15's.
R888's are available in 13/185/60 and 15/195/50

NISMOgemini

yeah next season would make it a little more fair on people who have already set up there cars.. mid season rule changes would get people a bit sour if they have spent money on a past rule that would now give them disadvantage

X3man

Just read the rules, 75hp is too low and can be achieved with legal mods. The front sway bar is more than 18mm stock on an X3.

NISMOgemini

x3man, whats the r888 worth? in 15 195 50

wasas

x3man, how do you plan on getting more than 75hp out of a unopened stock intake/exhaust manifold excel engine? I mean they only had 65kw (88hp) at the engine, after loss of 15% you should have 70-75hp, now factor in the engine's been flogged for its 200,000km life and it should be in the 60's. The twin cams should be about spot on the money.
Pod should be good for a hp or 3, cat back should be maybe another 1 or 2 if your lucky. what else can be done?

and full R spec's are expensive. this is supposed to be CHEAP racing... sticky road tyres should be enough.

X3man

The late build X3's (11/97-6/00) have a G4FK DOHC engine which produces 74kW stock. The SOHC 8/94-10/97 G4EK produces 66kW. A good one could be as high as 85Hp ATWs when they were newer, with a full exhaust (given that included extractors) and intake. The rules do state you can recondition them too. Its just my opinion that 75hp is too low before you penalise (or disqaulify) someone for having found a good Twincam in top shape.

Front bar on an X3 is 22mm and is hollow.

The R888's are expensive 250-300ea for that size depending on where you buy them.
Closer to 200ea for the 13" ones though.

wasas

I think if you can find a excel in stock form pushing over 80hp atw I'll give you my collection of rocking horse shit. I hear its pretty valuable.

X3man

This is the CAI on mine then add a decent exhaust. I've seen one dyno'd at 64kW atw's with CAI, Exhaust + Extractors and over 100k in the clock.

nodrog

You can also use any of the 4x114.3 Mitsubishi rims but be aware that the offset may be wrong requiring spacers. Luckily they also come with lug nuts meaning a longer thread area so spacers should be fine. I picked up a set of 15 inch Mitsi rims with tyres for $30 so they are out there, just need to look for them, and be patient.

I might have a Sabelt 3" 4 point harness available, anyone interested.

bluecapri

We at Real Dyno Performance have dyno'd 7 Excels that race in this series so far and 70.6 hp at the tyres has been the best so far and that was fron the fastest Excel circulating at the moment.

trackattack

SWAYBARS
Has anybody found a supply of swaybars, I am told that whiteline no longer make them.
We might have to modify the swaybar rules to make them easier to get

HORSEPOWER
Dont get hung up on horsepower, The Excels will benefit more from handling upgrades and good lines.
Lakeside is not a horsepower track and thats where most of you guys seem to want to run.

TYRES
Haven't found a deal that suits as far as treadwear & tyre size and most importantly price goes, will keep looking.
Does anybody have any feedback about the tyres they are running.
has anybody achieved more than 3.0 deg neg camber running a 205 tyre ?

NISMOgemini

pedders make swaybars to suit.. mate of mine had one made for his hilux and it was only $50ish more then an off teh shelf item from memory

Marlin

HOW MUCH are you spending on the farkin things!?!?! lololol

trackattack

Its a fine line between letting them modify the cars enough to keep most of them happy, but still controlling the costs.
most of the mods they are allowed to do are a once only buy such as springs, swaybars and wheels.

only consumables are tyres which are high end street tyres which should last for ages.
engines should be long lasting as they are not allowed to be modified

Most of the guys found that by simply running a good tyre they picked up about 4 seconds around lakeside.
Fastest Excel in class at the moment is 67.89 :cool:

X3man

https://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....howtopic=544483

This is my excel, i won't be in your series as i live in NSW. Thought you guys might be interested in it.
Tell me what you think.

Marlin

But why run a "good" tyre mate? Run a shit tyre and save the pennies. As long as everyone is on the same thing it doesn't matter. Noone races an Excel to be fast in an outright sense, so who cares if they're doing 68's or 72's?
If anything I think the slower the better considering how unsafe most of them look inside. Personally I think some safety consciousness needs to creep in soon, can you imagine the carnage some of these dash-less monsters would do to one's arms and legs in a wall altercation, or heaven forbid, a roll? Even a light one?
I'm really not trying to sound like a dazza downer, but I'd hate for something to happen and jeapordise the venue or the "series".

NISMOgemini

thats why mine will be getting a full cage.. thier to much of a coke can

trackattack

Having run on hard tyres I can see that they would be dangerous in inexperienced hands for circuit racing as the back of the car moves around a fair bit.
The good tyres aren't exactly top shelf, we are talking achilles and KU36, $150 each and will still last for ages

Currently QR polices the safety aspect and I cant control what actually runs at the track.
The class rules are currently to keep the front door trims and dash, but strip the rest out.

and yes I believe that a roll cage is a must, mine comes back tomorrow

benno.h

Really? There was heaps of guys without dashes, and our door cards are rooted and were flapping in the breeze so they've gone too.

trackattack

We can probably allow suitable replacements.
If we dont voluntarily maintain a suitable level of safety the guys at QR will get onto it.
Try to go circuit racing without a dash and front door cards and I doubt you would pass scrutineering.

Marlin

Yeah I was only judging by what I saw mate, no dashes or door cards with very angry bracketry sticking out trying to kill you! Dashes and door cards weigh bugger all. And by not removing them you're wasting less time on the thing.

X3man

If your dashes are stuffed, this info might be handy...
Contact Mick (HMCA) on excelrally.com.au, he organised a brand new genuine Hyundai dash for my X3 for $260 + GST. It was organised through my local Hyundai dealer.

nodrog

I got my X2 without a "safe" dash (it was all broken up by a mad woman with a hammer!!!!!), just the instrument cluster. Does this exclude me or could I fab an aluminium replacements of some sort that would remove the sharp edges etc and put padding over the rest? I have already removed all the mounting brackets and relocated sharp objects that were mounted on the the bar behind the dash, too me fricken ages to work with all the wiring!!!!!

X3man

http://www.hyperaustralia.com/forums/viewt...f=37&t=5571

97 X3 NSW $500

NISMOgemini

yeah most of the cars i saw the other week at LS had no cars or dashs at all in them