Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

Mounfield Racing

Cannot wait to see the feed back from this comment. I for one agree that there are currently a variety of specifications on cars "allegedly" complying and entering under the false pretense of being in Excel Series Specification. What ever that is. We don't need 20 classes of Excels, just a set of rules to comply with and if your car does not comply run street sprints.

nodrog

I was one who supported the idea of a split series, but after a few events realised that I am "racing" against myself so who give a rats what car I am driving providing I get a bit better at each event. I run the older car out there and still have heaps of fun even though I have driven the wheels off it. Yes I am building another one but only because I can and I want to go circuit racing where the relative speed compared to others is important.

Maybe we just leave the rules as they are and the cars that don't comply can run in the regular "Atmo" class.

Leave the Excel rules alone.

PRO050

The rules are fine the way they are, if cars are outside the rules then it will cost them to change back to the right spec's to be included in the points score when it really does kick off. At the moment just the fastest timed cars are being looked at, a car running low 70's isn't going to be jumped on. I think alot of people worry to much about what they think other cars are doing and should be tweeking their own car and working on their driving.
You don't need to spend a heap of money to get them going, but this is Motorsport and there will alway be someone that will spend alot more than everyone else, but the great thing about the Excels is it won't make them any faster.

40 25 Peter Nankervis Excel TA 27 26 1:07.0600

Let's use the Real Dyno car as an example, Peter ran the above time in a full spec car and was only beaten on the day by 0.04 of a second.
Real Dyno's car hasn't had the engine apart, no flash springs, no big dollar shocks just alot of time spent on set-up, meaning tyre pressures, wheel alignment ect. If you notice the 27 26 this means that Peter did his fastest lap on the 2rd last lap of the day, he spends the whole day working on his driving and more times than not goes fastest in the last session.
Peter sorry to have to use you as a example.
Get out to the Top gear on the 14th at Lakeside and watch the Excel who are running in with the gemini's.
Cheers Paul

xfben

The whole idea of this series really seems great but there will always be someone wanting to "adjust" the rules to suit themselves. Well done to promoters & organisors for running these types of events any form of affordable motor sport is a great step to keeping it off the streets. No matter what happens no one will ever stop street racing & hooning but at least there is a option for people to participate in a safe environment has to be good. I raced speedway for a few years in a "Streeter division" where the only mods allowed were extractors & 2 barrell carby I gave it away as I couldn't compete with the guys that were throwing good money at blue printing & modding motors, instead of going up to the next level where the mods were allowed

slyder1

i got a mate with an excel and am just wondering on some basic info for this event. The link on the first page doesn't work anymore and well to be honest i dont wanna read all 67 pages.... i just wanna know when and where this event is held and prices
thanks guys

xfben

http://www.trackattack.com.au/2010/index.p...&Itemid=335

This may help

Mounfield Racing

As I said Paul, the suggestion put forward that a number of classes should be adopted will open a can of worms, so stick to the spec (what ever that is) and if your car does not comply simply run the open sprints.

benno.h

A split series would be stupid.

The logistics and organisation doubles for one, and with the numbers we have it's simply not viable. Or needed. There is almost no difference between a 'stock' class car and the current spec.

I don't understand this need for people to drag everyone down to their level. The currently allowable 'performance' modifications are minimal, and strictly optional. Seriously, how are you going to define the 'stock' class? Can't replace the shitty 13" cheesecutter tyres, blown shock absorbers or do a wheel alignment? Can't adjust your tyre pressures? These are the only things you're gonna get any significant performance benefit from, and these things are all as limited as is practical by the current regulations.

The only compulsory modifications are to ensure your own safety.

This IS stock class racing guys, and it's as cheap as it's ever going to be. Get used to it.

Mounfield Racing

At least 3 of us now agree. Stick with the current spec for the series and if a safety issue should be identified, address that at the time with a quick amendment to the rules. I for one like the option of either running a stock car or being allowed to upgrade/enhance seats/harness, rims, tyre's and play with alignment etc etc in the interest of safety. I am not however interested in someone dictating to me where I will purchase a Series tyre, wheel or suspension package or any other item in order to comply. After receiving calls from a few reputable suppliers, it appears negotiations to have such an arrangement put in place are in fact being consideration by some people. This is not, and should not become another Mini series or Ute series.

nodrog

If we can live with the spec as they are then we should. If changes are to be made they should be outcome based rather than item specific. ie tyres - use one from the list provided; OR one that meets the 200 treadwear, $300 limit no matter where you can find them from, but providing that others can access the same item in Australia. ( I can get some really cheap very sticky Continental tyres from South Africa that meet the spec but no-one else would be able to, and I see this as an unfair advantage).

Otherwise lets lock the rules as they are and if people comply they can run in the Excel Series, and if not they got up to Atmo class.

Just a spanner in the works though - what happens if someone changes their car part way through the season and it no longer complies - do they loose all their points or just for that round??

Mounfield Racing

Mate if you can buy tyres from the moon and have them delivered, as long as they make more than 1 set for your car only, then every one else has the same opportunity to use them so it's not an issue. just do it. It's the same here with Federal Sponsorship, because our drift car and sprint/hill climb car and Excels (in Federal colours)go through as many Federals as a Job Jane outlet, we can buy RSR's at a good price. That does not mean I should use Achilles on the excel's to keep it fair. As for cars fronting with an illegal change mid season, I doubt anyone would even catch them out, but if they ran 5-10 sec faster than their usual times someone will twig, and perhaps the points on that day should be disregarded. At the end of the day we are not playing for a Million $ end of year prize.

nodrog

Ralph

Agree totally, if Achilles are on the list then so be it but not all of us could afford to run them, and should not be forced to run them. If anyone can get listed tyres for a good rate, eg the RSR, then they should be able to run them, and if another person chooses to run Talons because that suits their budget thats fine too.

I for one have a very tight budget and am happy to run budget tyres and run around at the back of the field, and if a particular type of tyre is "dictated" then it may mean less track time for me. As long as I am enjoying myself on tyres and specs as close as possible to stock that suit me and my budget I will be happy.

Mounfield Racing

That's it mate, it is all about personal budget. In my case, the cost of running 3 excels locally and dragging the S12 all over the State to compete in Street Sprints (which for those who complain QR is expensive) are $250-$300 entry alone, Noosa Hill Climb actually works out at $50 a lap. Throw in around 5g a season for upgrades/ mods, on the S12 the odd dyno, the odd track day for testing, another 20-30 nights motel accom per season and that's the limit of my budget.

PRO050

Lets get some cars on the grid first.

benno.h

Well I agree to some extent but I don't think we should discount the potential buying power of a group of us, particularly when it comes to expensive but disposable items like tyres. I'd support a control tyre if it was cheaper than most other half respectable options.





See you on sunday sucker!

Mounfield Racing

That's where the problem is Paul. Some like me are fully committed in Street Sprints/hill climb etc etc and in turn have to sacrifice the majority of excel meetings because they clash with other major meetings. Not any ones fault, you just cannot be every where. And to be honest, if you actually ask around, a lot of very keen people are reluctant to construct an excel in any shape or form, until there is a basic set of guidelines, with the specifications for excel racing cars in writing. Turning a blind eye and repeatedly reminding people they can run a stock car, and saying there are a few can do's and cannot do's listed somewhere on a forum under Excel racing or Track Attack, is no consolation to a guy who wants to build a safe car on a budget.

PRO050

Ralf I have to disagree I have worked on alot of excels that are getting ready for racing (3 cages this week alone) alot of the guys are on tight budgets and will take sometime to get up and running.
Also have helped heaps of guys on set-up as have all the other guys running around every event, 19 cars at the last sprint I think it's going alright and once 10 or so cars start racing you'll see them come out of the woodwork.

Mounfield Racing

Well I admit I may have been wrong. If your doing that many cars people must be feeling confident the class is a goer and the rules are fairly well established. Keep up the good work helping people with set up.

bigp0_1

Hi All,
I have just finished building my excel and am looking forward to december 5th for a run. I have fitted a full cage with racing seat and belt. I feel the rules should remain as they are as this gives everyone a cheap sport. As far as tyres I am happy to supply Federal tyres at cost to any excel racer.
Regards

PRO050

Great to hear.
Put up your contact details, lots of people using the Federal tyres now.
Cheers Paul

PRO050

Ralf I think because alot of the guys and girls are new to the sport it's just going to take time for them to get their cars up and running.
Don't stress about it things have a way of working out. We (excel owners) have one of the biggest 1 make series running around at the moment, all we need to do is to make sure we get looked after as a group.

Robby

Keen for contact details Also


Keen to drive this weekend... But overdue pregnant fiance, means i might stay outta the car and clost to home

bigp0_1

Paul 0417003361

Mounfield Racing

Well Robby you better tell Shonel to hurry up, I am keen to become a granddad.

nodrog

Hey Robby

Take her to the track on Sunday put her in the passenger seat and after 2 or so laps ................. Delivery!!!!!

Mounfield Racing

Just what I need a granddaughter born at Lakeside.

GT_88

HI All,,
As stated and proposed before, WHY dont we all get together with the current "regs" and sit down and sort all this out for next year?
I have spoken to Paul and Ralf in the past and both agree!So with whoever is the class rep or administrator???? get all parties interested in promoting and getting this racing sorted before next year.

Hope to get out there on Sunday and chat to people in regards to what springs/struts there using.

Thanks,

GT

Mounfield Racing

Be good for you to go out and chat to the boys. I wont be there, running the s12 at Noosa Hilclimb. Mind you it's now 8 15 thursday night still making a computer harness and loom for the new adaptronic computer, have a TPS and map censor to do and weld in a new BOV mounting block into the Inter cooler lines then dyno. Scurtineering starts at 12 00 tomorrow 300 km away. Love to rush lol.

NOS440

sounds like you have plenty of time

benno.h

Awesome day on the track yesterday boys. 5 Excels swapping paint with geminis - sweet!

PRO050

Great day Benno, and nice driving to come home in front of those gemini's.
Great work to all the guys that made it to the grid on Sunday, the interest was massive.
New lap record to Mr Hyundi himself (Peter from Real Dyno) throwing down a 65.4, great drive Pete.
Cheers Paul

Robby

she arrived at 1:10pm saturday! <3

Now i know my girls are ok, i can get back into the seat some more. keen to get feddy on the grid with the other hyundai's

57OMPA

Ok sorry to be a pain in the arse here.... But what are the entry fees to come and race? i have the car getting ready and my father n mate also want to enter and are buying excels, Just wondering 1. what is the entry fee? 2. roughly how many laps


once again sorry for being a pain


Jae

datto510

details are here - http://www.trackattack.com.au

cheers.

57OMPA

ok so i can't find where it is that tells me roughly how many laps/time u get on track....