dale.collins
Post #37
Whatever the reason, it still doesn't post times worth a damn. It did the TG test track about as fast as an Audi tt 2.0 ffs. I don't think it can all be put down to tyres. Pretty sure a lot of fwd hatches also smash it around the track. And didn't Dale change his user name or something? Nah, I found the "Login with Facebook" which allows everyone to have a defacto dual account. Why? Because they put me on mod review and were pretty damn lousy at "reviewing" so when I really would like to post I just do that whole deal. Anyway, yeah interesting car, bit out of my budget plus not terribly practical (no power steer? lol) If I had the money I'd have one, not two Toyota 86s or one 370Z sports barge. Took the 86 on happy laps had fun, went to the skid pan, had more fun. What do you know, the cheapest new car you can have fun with without having to pull up the handbrake. Also, if the car is priced at $75k that's awesome, it means that the new Alfa/MX5 thing can't really be priced $65k like the Brera/Spiders 4cyl models. Currently Alfa sells two hatchbacks and I think that sucks a lot of arse, it's not right for a "niche" manufacturer to sell something that's meant to compete with a Golf and another car that's meant to compete with a Polo, it doesn't make them niche, it just makes them an unsuccessful brand. So I can't wait until they put some decent cars onto the market once again |
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s13viper
Post #38
Oh I know there is a big price difference, but I feel that the 86 let the public (including me) down in all those areas. Too slow, too ugly, too bad sounding, too poorly finished inside... And too expensive as well. Wound up far more expensive than we'd been led to believe. Will be more like 370z money, but at least it actually looks to deliver on every front... And in many respects is actually exceptionally cheap for what it is. What the? It turned out exactly as it was designed to be. It speaks volumes that i have a 330awkw S4 in the driveway and currently a dead stock 86, you know which one i pick up the keys to for a drive? the 86. Its an absolute blast to drive. 35k is cheap as shit for a rwd, 2 door sports car, so cheap in fact, that its the cheapest purpose built one on sale, especially if you go the gt at 30k. Designing a car from scratch with a new engine, they probably won't make a profit on it for 5 years, a dangerous move in sports cars. Now, styling is purely subjective, i love it, other don't though. Yes, the interior is average build wise, but its got all the modern things that make life easier. Stock it sounds bad and its slow compared to many things. Not that 0-100 in 6.5sec and a 14sec 1/4 is "slow" in absolute terms. Considering they designed and a built a complete rwd car from scratch and made it the price they did is incredible. Its pretty obvious you either A) Don't really like driving, only power B) Have never driven one or C) Think its impossible to love a cheap car. I should also add that for all that much touted 'handling feel', the 86 is actually not veru good on track. It was, in fact, actually engineered to be as bad in corners as possible, to please drifters. The 4c actually seems to be posting impressive lateral g numbers. By doing so they made the 86 probably the most fun car you can buy on sale today. The steering is easily the best iv'e ever tried, better than a S4, better than a GTR, better than a C63, better than a M3. Its a car that simply cannot be measured with numbers and trying to rank it based on numbers alone is silly. Toyota have publicly said, the stock car is a blank canvas to do with what you please, its not meant to be the end result. I and many other thank them for that. On topic. 4c looks like a very very interesting car. Impressive technology for the price. at 75-80k it will be within the realms of many people, but its still that bit too much for the mainstream. |
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dale.collins
Post #39
I reckon if they can sell more then they should, I am under the impression that the entire Australian allocation is sold already. I think there was about 800 cars for the Asia Pacific region. |
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wolfman101
Post #40
Viper, you seem to be misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of 'fun' cars. Remember, you are talking to someone whose favourite car they've owned was a smart roadster with 91 hp. |
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wolfman101
Post #42
What is wrong with the 4c exactly? Curious as to your rationale, which is generally pretty sound. |
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wolfman101
Post #43
Oh, I should just add that it now has the fastest 'ring time for a car with less than 250 hp. Jesus, I like that little car. Seriously thinking about it. |
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Mr.B
Post #44
They're both cheap (in their relative markets) and both look cheaply made. The Alfa more so than the 86. |
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wolfman101
Post #46
There wasn't (and you acknowledge as much) objective reasoning in there B... Except that you think that the 4c is more cheaply made than the '86...which would seem to be a hard one to push... The 4c interior is gorgeous, just a bit minimalist, and the exterior is cf. |
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Mr.B
Post #47
overflows with character, Ov4A_NFswY Good to see you're keep things in line with most reviewers of the car. Spirit, character, soul, passion or any other bit of fake Italian marketing gimmick. Put a dollar towards the loan repayments. I guess, I'm just more practical about car choices? Fun doesn't come into my decisions anymore. It's what's practical now. |
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wolfman101
Post #48
You haven't really been paying much attention to what is being said have you? 'character' alone is not enough. If all it had was nostalgia value and character, I'd be saying 'great, another ALMOST car by alfa'. Fortunately, it turns out that it walks the walk too. Better in fact than any car in its class. |
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wolfman101
Post #50
Yeah, even I wouldn't go THAT far. By all accounts they are VERY fun. They just have no power and handle poorly (assuming that your definition of "handling" requires the car to be able to go around corners quickly of course). |
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wolfman101
Post #51
FTR, that's the "more cheaply made than an 86" interior. |
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wolfman101
Post #53
I compared it to the 370z price wise, actually. Just compared the design philosophy to the Toyobaru. |
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wolfman101
Post #55
I'm having trouble following your point. I never said the 4c competed with the 86 price-wise, just design-wise. It was B that started making quality comparisons. |
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wolfman101
Post #56
Also, I have several times on Boost given examples of cars in the same price segment as the '86 that are far better in all respects, and can do so again if you would like. |
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wolfman101
Post #60
Yes, you would own a wagon, with a steam powered bicycle in the back. Then you would be arrested by ye olde constabulary for being an absynthe trafficker and thrown in the watch tower. |
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mark1414
Post #62
If you've heard it before, you know the answers. So why do you keep asking? To be fair the only qurstion I asked in my second post was in regards to the price of a 370z. Just had a look through the thread, you seem to mention the 86 in most of your post which seems like a lot for someone who isnt comparing the two cars... |
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vk134
Post #63
Of all of them regardless of price, the 4C does look like an instant classic, not that I would own any of them , but if I had to, that would be it. |
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wolfman101
Post #65
Mark, the only comparing I did with the 86 (apart from the initial noting of the silmilar design philosophies) was in response to B equating the 2. They are not on the same playing field, nor at their respective price points should they be. |
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vk134
Post #69
I had an old AE86 with 4AGE in it as a basher in Sweden during one winter trip, loved it to death, could pretend I was some kind of drifting and rally god, of which I am not, but a great little thrasher, felt like had much better performance that the Aussie delivered sprinters. |
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