Zimma
Post #3539
I dunno man not all of us go to work in a polo shirt and sneakers Actually for work they're more of a skate shoe Point is dress or even a lot of business shoes have a habit of having sweet f all padding in the sole, cut in the ankle and have no flex at all. Fine if you sit down all day I guess... |
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mark1414
Post #3541
I bought $40 shoes once.. Never again. They lasted all of 2 months. My shoes cost $130 Julius Marlows, bought the same ones I had before, why change what works But see that's a nice price to pay for shoes that are good quality. I cant see the $900 shoe being 7x as good quality as $130 shoes. The only advantage is you can have a smug look on your face knowing you are wearing $900 shoes, pitty no one else will know the difference. |
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wolfman101
Post #3542
But see that's a nice price to pay for shoes that are good quality. I cant see the $900 shoe being 7x as good quality as $130 shoes. The only advantage is you can have a smug look on your face knowing you are wearing $900 shoes, pitty no one else will know the difference. The differences in high end shoes are actually quite pronounced-it's just a matter of whether or not you care. The first is in the construction. Generally, expensive shoes will use a Goodyear Welt construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welt_(shoe) This is a process that involves skilled workers, not automation, and will generally extend the lifespan of the shoes into decades, as they can be repeatedly re-soled. Further, the materials themselves will be of a higher grade. Expensive shoes will usually use calf or other, similarly high-grade smooth, well-finished leather that will provide a surface that will retain its shine and suppleness for years. Cheaper shoes will use a lower grade leather that is sanded and chemically treated to provide the same look initially, but that will quickly degrade. The construction will usually also involve stitching and fastening rather than bonding, allowing greater flexibility and comfort. Finally, as pointed out, really only the wearer will know the quality that has one into the product (the skilled hand-work and time, etc)...but for some this has a value in itself. This is similar to having a hand-made Swiss watch to me. A $20 Casio will probably keep better time...but the knowledge that the product was created by skilled artisans has an intrinsic value. Similar thing with suits. There is actually a MASSIVE difference in manufacturing quality in a high-end suit for those who care-it's not just a matter of brand recognition. Floating canvas, pick-stitching, surgeon's cuffs, rolling lapels and thread-counts will all mean little to those who don't care...but for those who do there is a value in the knowledge that their product is of high quality. |
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Mr.B
Post #3543
The differences in high end shoes are actually quite pronounced-it's just a matter of whether or not you care. The first is in the construction. Generally, expensive shoes will use a Goodyear Welt construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welt_(shoe) This is a process that involves skilled workers, not automation, and will generally extend the lifespan of the shoes into decades, as they can be repeatedly re-soled. Further, the materials themselves will be of a higher grade. Expensive shoes will usually use calf or other, similarly high-grade smooth, well-finished leather that will provide a surface that will retain its shine and suppleness for years. Cheaper shoes will use a lower grade leather that is sanded and chemically treated to provide the same look initially, but that will quickly degrade. The construction will usually also involve stitching and fastening rather than bonding, allowing greater flexibility and comfort. Finally, as pointed out, really only the wearer will know the quality that has one into the product (the skilled hand-work and time, etc)...but for some this has a value in itself. This is similar to having a hand-made Swiss watch to me. A $20 Casio will probably keep better time...but the knowledge that the product was created by skilled artisans has an intrinsic value. Similar thing with suits. There is actually a MASSIVE difference in manufacturing quality in a high-end suit for those who care-it's not just a matter of brand recognition. Floating canvas, pick-stitching, surgeon's cuffs, rolling lapels and thread-counts will all mean little to those who don't care...but for those who do there is a value in the knowledge that their product is of high quality. Now now. No reason to get all uptight. They are only shoes. If you think someone actually looks down at your feet when you're talking to them just to see what shoes your wear. I think you need to be in a new line of business. I'll admit, I've had my share of expensive items in clothing, shoes, belts, ties, cufflinks and pens. But at they end of the day, the people you meet, don't actually care that much. The old saying rings true. You buy shit you don't need with money you don't have to impress people you don't like. The second part of that statement might not apply to you though. |
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8700s14
Post #3544
The differences in high end shoes are actually quite pronounced-it's just a matter of whether or not you care. The first is in the construction. Generally, expensive shoes will use a Goodyear Welt construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welt_(shoe) This is a process that involves skilled workers, not automation, and will generally extend the lifespan of the shoes into decades, as they can be repeatedly re-soled. Further, the materials themselves will be of a higher grade. Expensive shoes will usually use calf or other, similarly high-grade smooth, well-finished leather that will provide a surface that will retain its shine and suppleness for years. Cheaper shoes will use a lower grade leather that is sanded and chemically treated to provide the same look initially, but that will quickly degrade. The construction will usually also involve stitching and fastening rather than bonding, allowing greater flexibility and comfort. Finally, as pointed out, really only the wearer will know the quality that has one into the product (the skilled hand-work and time, etc)...but for some this has a value in itself. This is similar to having a hand-made Swiss watch to me. A $20 Casio will probably keep better time...but the knowledge that the product was created by skilled artisans has an intrinsic value. Similar thing with suits. There is actually a MASSIVE difference in manufacturing quality in a high-end suit for those who care-it's not just a matter of brand recognition. Floating canvas, pick-stitching, surgeon's cuffs, rolling lapels and thread-counts will all mean little to those who don't care...but for those who do there is a value in the knowledge that their product is of high quality. If you say so chief. |
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wolfman101
Post #3545
Now now. No reason to get all uptight. They are only shoes. If you think someone actually looks down at your feet when you're talking to them just to see what shoes your wear. I think you need to be in a new line of business. I'll admit, I've had my share of expensive items in clothing, shoes, belts, ties, cufflinks and pens. But at they end of the day, the people you meet, don't actually care that much. The old saying rings true. You buy shit you don't need with money you don't have to impress people you don't like. The second part of that statement might not apply to you though. As made perfectly clear at the very beginning of what I said. You buy these things because YOU, the wearer, know the difference-the average person won't have a clue. We are in violent agreement. If you say so chief. Ooooh, bazinga! That'll show me! |
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wolfman101
Post #3549
do you feel hard done by when people buying size 12's pay the same price even though they have significantly more material and probably time put into them? Lol. It's actually occurred to me. In a bespoke suit, I would often pay less due to less fabric though, so no, who cares? |
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wolfman101
Post #3551
Not to add more fuel to this old chestnut, but also just grabbed this: |
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AGI78-GTO
Post #3552
Lol. It's actually occurred to me. In a bespoke suit, I would often pay less due to less fabric though, so no, who cares? Haha, i always think about it when fat people buy clothes, or why shouldn't i be allowed an extra 80kg luggage on the plane when the dude sitting across from me is over 150kg. wasn't having a dig or anything. on topic ordered some 6 piston brembo's that are used on the cadillac cts-v and mating them up with 355mm rotors, should make a difference ! |
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TurbostyleR
Post #3558
LOL I think it's funny how people tend to cut down other people for what they wear and how much of their own money they spend on seemingly obscure/lavish items. |
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wolfman101
Post #3559
Absolutely. I got well over six years out of my first pair of nice dress shoes (Armanis). As mentioned earlier, properly made shoes will basically last for as long as you are willing to keep getting them re-soled. They should be leather soled with a rubber tipped heel ideally I think. |
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vk134
Post #3560
Agree on the properly made shoes, I am a bang for buck kind of buyer, yet loathe changing styles etc when I find something I like and feels good, so you pay $400 for shoes, seems a lot, but you can wear them each day, they feel great and the best part is when they can be re-soled, sort of like having a classic car and giving it a tidy up. |
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DAL32
Post #3561
See that's the thing, I have my $130 shoes, wear them out and then don't resole them because it's uneconomical to do so. I wouldn't have any problem with re-soling a shoe as long as the upper was looking fine, but the ones I was wearing, the upper was wearing out as well. |
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TurbostyleR
Post #3562
Interesting, I think the next pair or work shoes I purchase will be of a higher quality than my usual hush puppies. Works out to be cheaper in the long run and by the sounds of it I get a much more comfortable shoe. |
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wolfman101
Post #3563
And better looking, too. |
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DAL32
Post #3564
Sounds like shoes are just like watches. Got the cheap and nasty throw away after a year, the "brand names" then the brands you've never heard of which have been around for hundreds of years which you didn't know of because they don't do mass media marketing. |
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wolfman101
Post #3565
That's pretty much right. Same deal with suits. Cheapo, then "good cheapo" (Maybe DKNY or Yd). Then the "good" brands -maybe Gucci, Prada, Armani, etc who make all sorts of stuff...then you have the specialists that only "suit people" will generally know about like Zegna, Brioni, etc. |
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wolfman101
Post #3567
I don't necessarily hate cheap shoes...I've bought plenty. They have their place. |
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