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HSV

Stickied.

NOS440

cheerz

ROO

Here's a few of the easier ones that get broken:



You can ONLY do a U-turn at a set of lights if there is a U Turn Allowed sign at the lights

Seat belts MUST be still used in car parks UNTIL you have parked your vehicle

Illegal to flash your HIGH beam BUT it's ok to just flash your low beam on and off - TRUE

Any instruments/accessories above your dash will get you nabbed - GPS / Gauges etc, dangling stuff off your rearview mirror

Replacement sports steering wheels that DO NOT have a center padded area as per your original wheel - Circa 1986 & above ?

Hope this helps

BoostedDave

Any instruments/accessories above your dash will get you nabbed - GPS / Gauges etc, dangling stuff off your rearview mirror


What about for example a JDm S15, come's with a factory boost gauge in the pillar, how do they enforce this type of stuff anyway?
I have heard of some people being done for gauges because they are in a 'strike zone', but what defines a strike zone?

ROO

Factory fitted options that comply with ADR are obviously "ok"

Similarly a vehicle which comes from the manufacturer which is lower than 100mm would be ok..

Strike Zone would be an area inside the vehicle in which an occupants head could come into contact with.

Usually why pillar guages are a huge no no..

BoostedDave

Which is what I don't get, a factory fitted gauge in the piller is ok, but an aftermarket one in the exact same area, same size (hell we will say the same exact gauge to keep it easy) would be defectable, because it is in a strike zone?? Or is there another reason why they are illegal? I'm just going off what I have heard, and apparently they try and use the strike zone excuse to ticket you. Can anyone confirm/elaborate on this?

As for strike zones, your head hitting the pillar/dash... isin't that what seatbelts are for??

ROO

And that's why the "law" is an ass - Makes no sense...

That's WHY the Police/Taxis/Ambulances have anything where they want to (sigh)

SuprasGotNuts

Illegal to flash your HIGH beam BUT it's ok to just flash your low beam on and off - TRUE

This is actually false. The charge is 'Use vehicle light to dazzle another road user'.

There is new legislation/ADR's that came into enforcement on September 1 2012 i think which refer to modifying vehicles

National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification
(Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14)
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...etin/index.aspx

National Code of Practice for Heavy Vehicle Modification
(Vehicle Standards Bulletin 6)
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...etin/index.aspx

Queensland Code of Practice - Vehicle Modifications (QCOP)
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-s...lemodifications.
aspx

Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN...tOpRUVSSR10.pdf

This information is a real bugger to read. But there is some real useful information in there when you can get through the wording of the documents.

ads4128

It is also an offence to drive with fog lights on when not in fog.

I'm an interstate truck driver an the laws are so diff from state to state it's fcuked u can not take a piss against a tree on the side of the road it's classed as urinating in a public place. But it's ok to piss on the left hand steer tyre of your vehicle go figure.

Never ever when told by a copper u were doing 80km in 60km zone or what ever he says u were doing admit to it 9times out of ten he is having ago and the minute u admit guilt he has u on tape and your gone. Always deny deny deny.

RB25_lovin

doesn't really work for me, he would just be like k lol heres a defect c**t

HP Plod

What a load of horseshit. I have never heard such dribble in my life.

ads4128

If u like to think so bud u keep on doing what u do. And I will keep on doin what I do. 250,000 Ks a year I'd think I have in counted my fair share of interceptions my friend.

rmx250

Don't know about up here but my nephew got done for speeding in St marys about 15 years ago.The police were in a magna wagon and plain clothes my nephew thought it was someone wanting a race,police had no radar they got up to around 100k 80k zone on the great western highway coppers put lights and siren on and pulled him up.They asked if he new what speed he was doing he told them about 100 so they booked him on that.Apparently they booked him on admission of guilt.no recording ,no radar just admission of gult and all this happened in about 200 meters.Could be different now or up here it was in NSW and about 15 years ago.

HP Plod

It's called a follow speed. All our vehicles have calibrated digital speedometers. We conduct a speed measurement based on following a vehicle at a speed for a certain distance.

HP Plod

So what you're effectively telling me is that I take out a lidar. Have a mobile radar in my vehicle BUT and this is a big BUT. I only utilise them for one speeding ticket in ten. The rest of my tickets are guesses.

Yep cool story bro.

But if you disagree by all means tell me how I do my job and let's see how accurate you are. Oh and let's see some proof of your 9/10 infringement issuing??? And I'll show you over a thousand infringements with distances or radar numbers placed on them

Twat In The Hat

Nah you're wrong HP. He's an interstate truckie. He knows what cops are like brah.

Bob

Aren't all speedo's calibrated from factory? How inaccurate can yours be? How often do they get calibrated, if at all?

Twat In The Hat

Most speedos over read, Bob.

clutch-monkey

factory speedo's read over, probably because of victoria's stupid speed tolerance on their cameras

Twat In The Hat

Hahahaha. I hope you're taking the piss.

TwinCam16

400m i believe is the follow distance isnt it HP?

audisport

I have had this happen to me, I denied I was speeding. The cop knew I was speeding. The cop told me after I denied it black and blue that I was lucky he did not have a speed gun and that the speed I was going was too difficult for him to gauge. I was let go but the cop was not a happy chappy.

rmx250

I don't know what distance they have to follow for but my nephew got done from a standing start he was in a vl police were in a magna wagon and they both took off from a red light got up to a 100 k in a couple of hundred meters and was pulled up.I can remember having a good chuckle at him when he told me as he was on his P's.That could be part of the reason.

vk134

NSW police seem to have some degree of judgement, in 88 I was coming along the Hume did the usual slow through town, saw old matey there, no probs, just getting up to highway speed, thought will take it easy for a while then mobile copper coming the other way, all good.
I thought what is the chance of 3 operational vehicles, so was cruising along at about 180, wide easy road, I noticed up coming traffic in the distance and slowed down to about 140 or so came over a rise, hello, nice yellow VL turbo, lights on, big uturn, I just pulled over and stopped, hopped out and waited.
He asked how fast was I going, I just said "to be honest, not sure, just over 100 maybe?", he said mmm, more like 145, I was just "oh that seems high", he noticed qld licenec and cars and we started talking a bit about the cars etc, then he said, I have to issue an infringement, 121 won't cause any hassles and was only $120 fine, "fair enough, I said" did the business, no probs, had a bit of a run up to 100 when we left, he just waved past.
So they musn't record, or back then just up to the officer, HP whats the go?

450ARN

dont get me wrong but honestly, dont police have better things to be doing then justifying them selves to a bunch of car guys / girls on boostcruising, this isnt directed at u hp, as what u do in your spair time isnt really my care nor no ones, but seriously, the amount of posts i see of people argueing and hp or others getting defensive real quick is just outragious, police are there for a reason, yeah even i dont 100% agree on alot of shit but other then the road squad (as i call them) there are alot of other things going on, who do u call if you have any issues, police, this is neither sticking up for the police or boost, but my god, everyone is entitled to an opinion, if it is in relation to the laws, make shure like many A. you know your shit so you can sort it out in a legal way, B. your not breaking the law on purpose and C. if you are breaking the law, cop it on the chin, u do the crime deal with it

HP Plod

Depending on the vehicle. Some come factory with digital speedos, those that don't we have Ballinger digital speedos attached to the vehicle, we then utilise a calibrated lidar and check their speeds against 3 different speeds, they must be spot on to be classified as calibrated. This gets done every 6 months and the vehicles have a sticker attached to them to show the speedo is calibrated so you can ask to have a look at this sticker if you disagree.

When it comes to court we produce a certificate to show that either a. Factory digital speedometer was calibrated or b. Ballinger digital was calibrated on a certain date that obviously precedes the offence date.

As for follow speeds:

Straight out of googled traffic manual.

6.10 Follow speed

POLICY

Speed detection whereby the speed of a subject vehicle is ascertained by comparing it to that of a following Service vehicle driven by an officer is commonly referred to as the 'follow speed' detection method.

PROCEDURE

An officer intending to check the speed of another vehicle by the follow speed method should consider the following:

(i) the amount of tolerance appropriate in the circumstance (refer to s. 6.13: 'Amount of tolerance allowed in speed detection' of this chapter);

(ii) whether the speedometer of the following vehicle is currently certified as accurate by having been tested within the previous six months (s. 124(1)(p) of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act); and

(iii) whether the distance between the police vehicle and the followed vehicle ensures the safety of the occupants of both vehicles and other road users having regard to the speed of the vehicles, road conditions and weather.

For a successful prosecution of a speeding offence, using the follow speed detection method, officers should be able to provide to a court evidence of the:

(i) accuracy of the speedometer of the motor vehicle used in obtaining the follow speed (the accuracy of a speedometer may be proved by the production of a certificate which complies with the s. 124(1)(p) of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act);

(ii) distance between the following vehicle and the followed vehicle during the time the follow speed was ascertained and any variations to the distance between both vehicles (e.g. the distance may increase as the followed vehicle increases in speed); and

(iii) distance over which the follow speed was ascertained. It is recommended that this distance be a minimum of 200 metres.


And for those that still believe we are making up 9/10 speeds:

6.11 Estimation

POLICY

The estimation method of speed detection relies on the experience of officers gained through their daily activities including their official duties as police officers. Experience gained by an officer often results in the officer developing an ability to estimate the speed of moving vehicles with greater accuracy than the average person. Although estimation evidence by its nature is not entirely accurate, it may be acceptable to a court for the purposes of showing the general speed of a vehicle in order to prove that the speed of a subject vehicle exceeded a prescribed speed limit at a particular time.

The estimation speed detection method should only be used where no other means of speed detection is available such as a speed detection device or vehicle speedometer.

PROCEDURE

An officer intending to use estimation as a means of speed detection should consider that:

(i) a prosecution for an offence of exceeding a prescribed speed limit based solely on the evidence of the officers observations and experience has a greater risk of failing compared to more conventional means of speed detection; and

(ii) it is difficult to prove to a court speeds which are marginally over the prescribed speed limit making the method more suitable to circumstances where the alleged speed of a subject vehicle is substantially in excess of the prescribed speed limit.

Evidence supporting of an officer's estimation of the speed of a vehicle may include:

(i) engine noise being emitted by the subject vehicle, such as excessive revving;

(ii) other noise caused by the subject vehicles' apparent excessive speed such as the sound of wind being generated;

(iii) the time (in seconds) that is taken for the vehicle to travel from one given point to another. In this regard officers should familiarise themselves with the following equation:

'SPEED = DISTANCE DIVIDED BY THE TIME TAKEN TO TRAVEL THAT DISTANCE'.

Once the time taken for the vehicle to travel a certain distance has been taken, the distance can later be measured and the calculation then made as to the speed of the vehicle at the set time;

(iv) any movement of physical objects at the side of the roadway (such as leaves on trees or road signs) as the subject vehicle passes such objects indicating the creation of turbulence or tail winds;

(v) comparisons of the speed of the subject vehicle with that of other vehicles which may be travelling on the particular road at the time; and

(vi) observations of body movement of the vehicle upon the road, especially whilst cornering and under braking

So I'll take a lidar or mobile radar any day. Rather prove to you then that I age attained a speed than guess

HP Plod

I'm not technically justifying I'm giving a perspective from the side of the fence that you don't have the privilege offering on and to get an insight into our psyche.

However when people make outlandish comments that are so wrong that it leads you guys astray. Then they must be laid to rest and as always I can back up what I say with legislation and policies. So it's not an opinion it's i guess a fact.

RB25_lovin

i got off with a warning when i admitted to speeding. i don't know if it had anything to do with it being 2am or not, but he gave me an rbt and i was on my way. i was a bit tired and i accidentally gave him my bank card instead of license and he thought i was bribing him

HP Plod

I love it when people do this I say the same thing I say you realise that bribing is an offence. Or I ask them if they want cash out.

Gemadore

Thats why the first question is "how fast do you think you were going?". Say the wrong speed in the wrong zone and bam your a statistic.

RB25_lovin

i was like oh god im going to jail

TwinCam16

200m... fcuk i was close

Twat In The Hat

Quite simply, officers, like anyone else, don't work all day and all night. In their free time, they can do as they please. The fact that someone is willing to be on a forum where the general view of Police is quite negative, and try to defend his position as well as be quite social with the other members, is nothing but a good thing. It seems that more QPS officers need to take a similar approach (especially the HP branch) and have more to do directly with car enthusiasts.

450ARN

i fully agree with it, but im just saying that the way it banters back and forwards is unreal, i dont come on boost much but all i tend to see is this banter bank and forwards is what i really mean, i know if i was a cop or a solicitor i wouldnt like to be doing my job at home more then i had to is all.

but hp plod and xxxx are a more needed race of people in this car club / enthusist type scene, some one who inforces the laws and actually knows what there talking about and some one who defends the fact and knows what there talking,

instead of the usual oh bro were do i get my rims chopped on my full sick commodore and then get a rwc for it