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_Ben
Post #106
Fuck me there is a lot of cunt!erey going on in here. |
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TwinCam16
Post #109
QUOTE (henz @ Mar 18 2012, 07:31 PM)  Hey guys. This is my xr6 turbo ute Tuned by Pitlane Performance. 2007 bf2 (typhoon motor) QUOTE (TXR05 @ Mar 18 2012, 10:29 PM) thats not a FPV motor... good luck with your clutch too. QUOTE (henz @ Mar 19 2012, 07:22 PM) Yes it is. No. It's an XR6 motor. Not a Typhoon motor. |
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DAZZLER351
Post #110
Oh My Fucking God ... no wonder i have less than 400 posts on here .. you Kunts are seriously retarded !!! |
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MOPARMUSCLE
Post #113
QUOTE (gutless @ Mar 21 2012, 12:10 AM) If it didnt get put into an FPV,come from an FPV,Be able to be truthfully sold as an FPV engine then its not an FPV engine. This isnt a tricky difference in opinion. It is as it is. ^^exactly right! why is this so hard to understand^^ |
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henz
Post #114
QUOTE (henz @ Mar 20 2012, 03:51 PM) Cmon then genius's. Show what the mechanical differences are between my 07 and any any fpv. Here's a hint, theyre the same. Aww. Your still having a hard time grasping that theyre the same though. And yet still different from the early xr6t motor. But keep going, it's making me lol that you can't grasp it. |
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sideways82
Post #116
Can someone please explain to me the difference in a BF XR6T mk2 engine and a BF F6 typhoon engine. Apart from rocker cover colour and engine numbers. |
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51KVN
Post #118
QUOTE (sideways82 @ Mar 21 2012, 05:55 AM) Can someone please explain to me the difference in a BF XR6T mk2 engine and a BF F6 typhoon engine. Apart from rocker cover colour and engine numbers. crank, rods, pistons, valve springs, cams, block, turbo, injectors, manifolds which of the above are common and which are not? edit : I know the fpv's got a different cooler and ran more boost to get the higher stock power numbers, but what was changed in the engines to handle it? Differance on the engine is only the accuator which is 9psi |
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TwinCam16
Post #119
QUOTE (henz @ Mar 21 2012, 04:23 AM) If I went to buy it from ford, Its listed as an Fpv motor. But you didn't and no, it's not. Stop sack riding FPV. Your motor is an XR6 motor. Do you see Monaro owners saying they have a HSV motor because clubsports have LS1's with the same internals? |
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GTRVspec95
Post #120
Congratulations to all internet warriors competing in this mindless debate instead of posting up XR6T's |
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fpvxr6t
Post #121
I understand both sides, and I think I can explain it since you're all too incompetent to realise what each other are saying, and if you indeed think you are competent enough, you're just trolling for the hell of it. |
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fpvxr6t
Post #124
Anyways, back on topic... |
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Rancher
Post #125
QUOTE (fpvxr6t @ Mar 21 2012, 11:04 AM) I understand both sides, and I think I can explain it since you're all too incompetent to realise what each other are saying, and if you indeed think you are competent enough, you're just trolling for the hell of it. Henz is (now) saying that his engine is the same factory produced engine (internals wise) as what comes in any FPV turbo car (BA Typhoon - BF2 Typhoon) as the BA/BA2/BF XR6T pre 06-06 has the weaker bottom end making it a different engine altogether. What the other clowns are saying, is that since it wasn't purchased in the chassis of a badged FPV, you can't class it as a typhoon motor. You didn't buy an XR6T with a typhoon motor, you bought an XR6T with an XR6T motor (which just happens to be the same as the one they use in the FPV). Same engine, 2 tunes (and other minor changes - actuator, paint etc) to distinguish the difference between the 2 engines. The summary is, yes the 2 engines are built the same before dropped into any car. The XR6T's come with an XR6T configured/tuned engine. The FPV's come with an FPV configured/tuned engine. What's being said is unless you got an FPV and an XR6T, and swapped the engines over (meaning you imported the factory configured F6 engine into your XR6T) then you have what's considered an XR6T engine - despite the fact that internally they are the same. I think Henz should have just put: (same internals as typhoon) instead of (typhoon motor). Have I hit the nail on the head or have I hit the nail on the head? You sorta did. But, why the need to mention anything at all about it having the same internals as FPV. Does it really matter? Are ford owners that butt hurt they couldn't afford the FPV, they feel the need to convince people their motor is an FPV motor? Regardless of the only difference being a different tune, conrods, airbox, actuator, and tappet cover paint (Which you know, does indeed make seperate it from the XR6 motor..) I cant believe the only people defending this guy, are ford owners. The rest of us just think you're stupid. Do you see Holden owners (not the wankers with the chev badge) running around trying to convince people their car has a HSV motor because they are mechanically the same? There might have been some respect for you car, I think it looks just fine. In fact, one of the cars on my list of cars to look at buying later on this year will be an FPV F6. But trying to bandwagon on the FPV name, when the engine is not FPV dressed up, just makes you look like a sack rider. They are the same motor. Putting "Same internals as Typhoon motor" is retarded. QUOTE (fpvxr6t @ Mar 21 2012, 11:23 AM) Anyways, back on topic... 06/06 XR6T sedan (same internals as f6  )My point exactly. They are the same motor. Putting shit like that makes NO SENSE! |
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fpvxr6t
Post #127
QUOTE (Rancher @ Mar 21 2012, 09:34 AM) You sorta did. But, why the need to mention anything at all about it having the same internals as FPV. Does it really matter? Are ford owners that butt hurt they couldn't afford the FPV, they feel the need to convince people their motor is an FPV motor? Regardless of the only difference being a different tune, conrods, airbox, actuator, and tappet cover paint (Which you know, does indeed make seperate it from the XR6 motor..) I cant believe the only people defending this guy, are ford owners. The rest of us just think you're stupid. Do you see Holden owners (not the wankers with the chev badge) running around trying to convince people their car has a HSV motor because they are mechanically the same? There might have been some respect for you car, I think it looks just fine. In fact, one of the cars on my list of cars to look at buying later on this year will be an FPV F6. But trying to bandwagon on the FPV name, when the engine is not FPV dressed up, just makes you look like a sack rider. They are the same motor. Putting "Same internals as Typhoon motor" is retarded. My point exactly. They are the same motor. Putting shit like that makes NO SENSE! Well, no it's not retarded. There are 2 different XR6T motors, one is with a weaker bottom end, the other is with the F6 bottom end. Then, as we've gone through so a child in kindergarden can understand, there's the FPV F6 engine.. Putting that your XR6T has the same internals as the F6 is indicating you have the later of the 2 XR6T engines (which a lot of people will ask about when you move to modding as the weaker of the 2 will need different parts replaced to reach the same power levels as the later motor). I'm not saying, nor trying to convince anyone I have an FPV motor which is what you have said above: "Are ford owners that butt hurt they couldn't afford the FPV, they feel the need to convince people their motor is an FPV motor? Regardless of the only difference being a different tune, conrods, airbox, actuator, and tappet cover paint (Which you know, does indeed make seperate it from the XR6 motor..)" I'm just indicating that my motor contains the same internal parts/bottom end as the FPV one. Yes it is still an XR6T motor. And yes, by saying Ford owners after quoting my post, is referring to myself also. (just to clarify before you try to have a pick at it by saying "did I say you?" which seems to be your thing) |
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Nikked
Post #129
Funny Thing is... |
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fpvxr6t
Post #130
QUOTE (Nikked @ Mar 21 2012, 02:02 PM) Funny Thing is... Both engines are still made at Fords engine plant, on the same production line, using the same parts. So, towards the end of the production line... -One goes and has the Blue tappet cover installed, and is coupled with a FPV tune, then installed in a FPV -The other has the red cover, and a XR6 tune, then is installed in a XR6 Hence, Typhoons having a FPV tuned variant of a Ford engine (as ford simplified things by having the one set of rotating assembly)... Therefore, saying your XR6 is sack riding....unless you own a BA-BF Mk1 and have installed a FPV spec engine... Not sure the intention of this post, as it's said basically what I said a few posts ago, but the last line seems like a flame. As said 2 posts ago: "The summary is, yes the 2 engines are built the same before dropped into any car. The XR6T's come with an XR6T configured/tuned engine. The FPV's come with an FPV configured/tuned engine." I believe we're all on the same page regarding the manufacturer of the engine being Ford, no-ones disputing that. We're not saying that FPV build their own engines, just that the engines that come in the FPV cars are tuned differently to the XR6T. When referring to FPV engine, we're referring to the one inside the FPV (F6), not FPV as a manufacturer.. I dont get your sack riding comment. I'm not claiming to have an FPV specced engine, and as we established above, Henz meant the internals/bottom end of his XR6T motor are the same as the ones in the F6. Nor does anyone with a BA-BF Mk1 (pre06/06) claim to have the same engine as what's in the F6's. |
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gutless
Post #131
QUOTE (Nikked @ Mar 21 2012, 04:02 PM) Funny Thing is... Both engines are still made at Fords engine plant, on the same production line, using the same parts. So, towards the end of the production line... -One goes and has the Blue tappet cover installed, and is coupled with a FPV tune, then installed in a FPV -The other has the red cover, and a XR6 tune, then is installed in a XR6 Hence, Typhoons having a FPV tuned variant of a Ford engine (as ford simplified things by having the one set of rotating assembly)... Therefore, saying your XR6 is sack riding....unless you own a BA-BF Mk1 and have installed a FPV spec engine... If this statement about where they come from is true, its as much the same as people that claim an LS Engine is a Chevrolet motor when in fact its roots are neither Holden Nor Chevrolet as they are GM motors. The only thing making them a such-n-such engine pertains to the Chassis they were installed in. So in closing, Henz can just get on it and give up. 
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fpvxr6t
Post #132
QUOTE (gutless @ Mar 21 2012, 02:43 PM) If this statement about where they come from is true, its as much the same as people that claim an LS Engine is a Chevrolet motor when in fact its roots are neither Holden Nor Chevrolet as they are GM motors. The only thing making them a such-n-such engine pertains to the Chassis they were installed in. So in closing, Henz can just get on it and give up. The difference here being that in its roots, Ford make Ford engines, Holden don't make Holden engines. And the chassis they come in does not define the engine. The tune the engine gets before being installed as the Ford stock tuned engine, or the FPV tuned engine defines what engine it is. |
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gutless
Post #135
QUOTE (fpvxr6t @ Mar 21 2012, 04:53 PM) The difference here being that in its roots, Ford make Ford engines, Holden don't make Holden engines. And the chassis they come in does not define the engine. The tune the engine gets before being installed as the Ford stock tuned engine, or the FPV tuned engine defines what engine it is. Oh big difference. GM>Holden/Chevrolet Ford>XR6T/Typhoon. Companies/Models Potato/Potahto. Your statement is quite silly. The only reason the FPV engine gets an FPV tune is because its in an FPV. Tune/Covers disregarded, one of these motors installed into an XR6T from Factory is an XR6T motor and the same with FPV #Circles. |
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fpvxr6t
Post #136
QUOTE (gutless @ Mar 21 2012, 03:13 PM) Oh big difference. GM>Holden/Chevrolet Ford>XR6T/Typhoon. Companies/Models Potato/Potahto. Your statement is quite silly. The only reason the FPV engine gets an FPV tune is because its in an FPV. Tune/Covers disregarded, one of these motors installed into an XR6T from Factory is an XR6T motor and the same with FPV #Circles. They're not the same.. Companies and models are the same thing? And you have just said exactly what I've been saying in your second comment.... I haven't argued the reason why it gets an FPV tune so not sure why you're bringing it up As said a few posts ago again... As said 2 posts ago: "The summary is, yes the 2 engines are built the same before dropped into any car. The XR6T's come with an XR6T configured/tuned engine. The FPV's come with an FPV configured/tuned engine." The engines are the same in terms of build parts, one being tuned by FPV for an FPV F6, the other tuned by Ford the way it is for the XR6T. Therefore, final product - one is an F6 engine, one is an XR6T engine. I have never contested this. Circles indeed... |
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TurboXR
Post #137
QUOTE (Nikked @ Mar 21 2012, 06:01 PM)  oh dear... Just FYI, holden make Alloytecs Offtopic...Alloytec was a joint venture by Cadillac and Holden. Ford 4.0 I6 is pretty much now the only Australian engineered motor (as in not just assembeled in Aus like the Holden Cruze) left but started out as an American motor although only as a 144ci, 170ci and 200ci, Ford Aus pretty much changed all the internals, etc in 1968 and again in 1970 with the good old 250ci. |
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sideways82
Post #138
so where does mine fit in in this shitefite |
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TurboXR
Post #139
QUOTE (sideways82 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:02 PM) so where does mine fit in in this shitefite BF mk2 xr6t with the motor out of a BA fpv f6 ((blue rocker cover(yes i know, i know)) with atomic 698 internals, valve springs and harmonic balancer? hahaha dont keep that argument going. Well you just found the answer yourself with the Atomic internals.....I'd call it a built Ford I6 Turbo motor 
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