Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

TommyR34

Fair enough

xfben

Hey Paul are you running the Falcon this Sunday at the sprints, have taken the kids out to have a look a few times at Lakeside & every time we think about going out the kids say is that guy in the Falcon going to be there

Evaded Motorsport

Bugger, if I had the Rolla done I wanted to run on the 14th

burtoking

G'day, i'm very very very interested in getting into something like this next year. Wats the process of getting into this sort of racing? Having never been involved in racing before, i'm quite lost as to who to speak to or wat to do. I've always been pretty keen on getting into some light, not too serious racing.
If anyone could Pm me some info that would be greatly appreciated. It sounds like it would be a shitload of fun.

PRO050

Come out and have a chat to the guys out at Lakeside on the 7th Nov, happy to help in any way. Don't need to spend alot of money to have some fun.
Cheers Paul

PRO050

Yes I will be there in my falcon, had some gear box problems lately so will be having a red hot go on Sunday rain or shine.
Cheers Paul

xfben

Great to here hope you have a good day

burtoking

Will do mate, only live at Murrumba downs so will definatly try to make it out there. You will be out there on the 14th s well?

PRO050

bump

57OMPA

ok quick question as i cbf reading all 67 pages just about the excels

1.what exhaust intake mods can u have? if any
2. suspension? lowered springs and stock struts fine?
3.do the cars need to be caged?

PRO050

1.EXHAUST & INTAKE

•Exhaust Manifold and the twin primaries are to be original excel, the rest of the exhaust is free subject to lakeside noise requirements
•Extractors are expressly forbidden.
•Intake manifold is to be original excel, the rest of the air intake is free before the original throttlebody and air flow meter.
•Pod filters are permitted
•Throttlebody is to be standard
•Forced Induction is not permitted

2.SUSPENSION
•Racing suspension is not permitted
•Coil Over Style struts are not permitted
•After market springs are permitted provided that they are readily available at retail outlets
•Track Attack Spring Pack is permitted
•After market shocks are permitted provided that they are readily available at retail outlets
•Adjustable suspension is not permitted
•Camber pins are permitted to achieve negative camber
•Original fitting points must be maintained for all components
•Struts must not be slotted

3. No cage needed for sprints
min. 1/2 for Top gear race meet.

Most of the guys are cutting the standard springs, just be sure not to make them to low you don't want them to bottom on the bump rubbers.
Cheers Paul

xfben

Heard there was a crash this arvo at Lakeside after I had left anyone have any details? driver ok?

PRO050

Quite a few crashes today, but the biggest was a white excel with a pink bonnet, lost it on the last corner and hit the wall hard went over on it's roof and landed back on it's wheels.
No word on the driver but seemed to be not seriously hurt.

1Z4K

do u need a drivers license?

811CHN

Yeah that was my girl shes ok whent to hospital and walked out with afew bruises and a headache was told she was lucky to be alive...

PRO050

Great to hear she is ok, hope she gets back on the horse.

811CHN

Yeah shes a tuff one i dont think anything can stop her she'll be straight back out there

xfben

Great to hear she is ok

Ripcrl

I believe the Excel racing is going to be a great series next year BUT, I really believe there is a need for inspections prior to racing. I feel the class should be split into 3 levels.

Level 1 - standard. This level is for those that have standard registered vehicles, drive in - drive out.

Level 2 - modify. This level is for those with 'race prepared' cars eg, those that comply with the regs plus cages, harnesses and race seat.

Level 3 - super modify. This is for those that strip the cars of body structures and strengthening, modify any standard body parts, eg door intrusion bars, bonnet hinges ect and any mods to lighten the vehicle below 900 - 950 kg.

At the moment there apperrs to be many various versions of the 'rules'. This needs to be regulated so all vehicles comply and the end result in times is based on driver ability on the day and NOT disadvantage those who want to race fair and safe.

zuboo

You have all lost what it was started for, it was a simple cheap way to race. People buy a car for $500 spend $500 and race it for fun. I saw an xl setup for this racing trying to sell for 5 grand If your going to put that much money into racing at lakeside/QR their are better cars to buy or start with, the xl was chosen because it was cheap simple and parts are around. The original idea was keep it stock, cheap and have fun, i think that has been lost over time.

Mounfield Racing

Cannot wait to see the feed back from this comment. I for one agree that there are currently a variety of specifications on cars "allegedly" complying and entering under the false pretense of being in Excel Series Specification. What ever that is. We don't need 20 classes of Excels, just a set of rules to comply with and if your car does not comply run street sprints.

nodrog

I was one who supported the idea of a split series, but after a few events realised that I am "racing" against myself so who give a rats what car I am driving providing I get a bit better at each event. I run the older car out there and still have heaps of fun even though I have driven the wheels off it. Yes I am building another one but only because I can and I want to go circuit racing where the relative speed compared to others is important.

Maybe we just leave the rules as they are and the cars that don't comply can run in the regular "Atmo" class.

Leave the Excel rules alone.

PRO050

The rules are fine the way they are, if cars are outside the rules then it will cost them to change back to the right spec's to be included in the points score when it really does kick off. At the moment just the fastest timed cars are being looked at, a car running low 70's isn't going to be jumped on. I think alot of people worry to much about what they think other cars are doing and should be tweeking their own car and working on their driving.
You don't need to spend a heap of money to get them going, but this is Motorsport and there will alway be someone that will spend alot more than everyone else, but the great thing about the Excels is it won't make them any faster.

40 25 Peter Nankervis Excel TA 27 26 1:07.0600

Let's use the Real Dyno car as an example, Peter ran the above time in a full spec car and was only beaten on the day by 0.04 of a second.
Real Dyno's car hasn't had the engine apart, no flash springs, no big dollar shocks just alot of time spent on set-up, meaning tyre pressures, wheel alignment ect. If you notice the 27 26 this means that Peter did his fastest lap on the 2rd last lap of the day, he spends the whole day working on his driving and more times than not goes fastest in the last session.
Peter sorry to have to use you as a example.
Get out to the Top gear on the 14th at Lakeside and watch the Excel who are running in with the gemini's.
Cheers Paul

xfben

The whole idea of this series really seems great but there will always be someone wanting to "adjust" the rules to suit themselves. Well done to promoters & organisors for running these types of events any form of affordable motor sport is a great step to keeping it off the streets. No matter what happens no one will ever stop street racing & hooning but at least there is a option for people to participate in a safe environment has to be good. I raced speedway for a few years in a "Streeter division" where the only mods allowed were extractors & 2 barrell carby I gave it away as I couldn't compete with the guys that were throwing good money at blue printing & modding motors, instead of going up to the next level where the mods were allowed

slyder1

i got a mate with an excel and am just wondering on some basic info for this event. The link on the first page doesn't work anymore and well to be honest i dont wanna read all 67 pages.... i just wanna know when and where this event is held and prices
thanks guys

xfben

http://www.trackattack.com.au/2010/index.p...&Itemid=335

This may help

Mounfield Racing

As I said Paul, the suggestion put forward that a number of classes should be adopted will open a can of worms, so stick to the spec (what ever that is) and if your car does not comply simply run the open sprints.

benno.h

A split series would be stupid.

The logistics and organisation doubles for one, and with the numbers we have it's simply not viable. Or needed. There is almost no difference between a 'stock' class car and the current spec.

I don't understand this need for people to drag everyone down to their level. The currently allowable 'performance' modifications are minimal, and strictly optional. Seriously, how are you going to define the 'stock' class? Can't replace the shitty 13" cheesecutter tyres, blown shock absorbers or do a wheel alignment? Can't adjust your tyre pressures? These are the only things you're gonna get any significant performance benefit from, and these things are all as limited as is practical by the current regulations.

The only compulsory modifications are to ensure your own safety.

This IS stock class racing guys, and it's as cheap as it's ever going to be. Get used to it.

Mounfield Racing

At least 3 of us now agree. Stick with the current spec for the series and if a safety issue should be identified, address that at the time with a quick amendment to the rules. I for one like the option of either running a stock car or being allowed to upgrade/enhance seats/harness, rims, tyre's and play with alignment etc etc in the interest of safety. I am not however interested in someone dictating to me where I will purchase a Series tyre, wheel or suspension package or any other item in order to comply. After receiving calls from a few reputable suppliers, it appears negotiations to have such an arrangement put in place are in fact being consideration by some people. This is not, and should not become another Mini series or Ute series.

nodrog

If we can live with the spec as they are then we should. If changes are to be made they should be outcome based rather than item specific. ie tyres - use one from the list provided; OR one that meets the 200 treadwear, $300 limit no matter where you can find them from, but providing that others can access the same item in Australia. ( I can get some really cheap very sticky Continental tyres from South Africa that meet the spec but no-one else would be able to, and I see this as an unfair advantage).

Otherwise lets lock the rules as they are and if people comply they can run in the Excel Series, and if not they got up to Atmo class.

Just a spanner in the works though - what happens if someone changes their car part way through the season and it no longer complies - do they loose all their points or just for that round??

Mounfield Racing

Mate if you can buy tyres from the moon and have them delivered, as long as they make more than 1 set for your car only, then every one else has the same opportunity to use them so it's not an issue. just do it. It's the same here with Federal Sponsorship, because our drift car and sprint/hill climb car and Excels (in Federal colours)go through as many Federals as a Job Jane outlet, we can buy RSR's at a good price. That does not mean I should use Achilles on the excel's to keep it fair. As for cars fronting with an illegal change mid season, I doubt anyone would even catch them out, but if they ran 5-10 sec faster than their usual times someone will twig, and perhaps the points on that day should be disregarded. At the end of the day we are not playing for a Million $ end of year prize.

nodrog

Ralph

Agree totally, if Achilles are on the list then so be it but not all of us could afford to run them, and should not be forced to run them. If anyone can get listed tyres for a good rate, eg the RSR, then they should be able to run them, and if another person chooses to run Talons because that suits their budget thats fine too.

I for one have a very tight budget and am happy to run budget tyres and run around at the back of the field, and if a particular type of tyre is "dictated" then it may mean less track time for me. As long as I am enjoying myself on tyres and specs as close as possible to stock that suit me and my budget I will be happy.

Mounfield Racing

That's it mate, it is all about personal budget. In my case, the cost of running 3 excels locally and dragging the S12 all over the State to compete in Street Sprints (which for those who complain QR is expensive) are $250-$300 entry alone, Noosa Hill Climb actually works out at $50 a lap. Throw in around 5g a season for upgrades/ mods, on the S12 the odd dyno, the odd track day for testing, another 20-30 nights motel accom per season and that's the limit of my budget.

PRO050

Lets get some cars on the grid first.

benno.h

Well I agree to some extent but I don't think we should discount the potential buying power of a group of us, particularly when it comes to expensive but disposable items like tyres. I'd support a control tyre if it was cheaper than most other half respectable options.





See you on sunday sucker!