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Mounfield Racing
Post #1366
QUOTE (benno.h @ Jun 20 2010, 06:13 PM)  So where does this battery thing leave all the people who have already relocated their batteries? Ours has been relocated safely with beefy mounting points, plastic battery box, covered terminals and externally accessible kill switch. I can't really see why this shouldn't be allowed - if people want to keepcosts down they don't have to do it. Simple. If you have relocated your battery and you are convinced its secure, all leads are well insulated where they go through the fire wall or floor (which ever the case may be) and your happy with the mod leave it. There is no rule on the position, just concern over the execution of the work. |
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PRO050
Post #1367
QUOTE (benno.h @ Jun 20 2010, 06:13 PM) So where does this battery thing leave all the people who have already relocated their batteries? Ours has been relocated safely with beefy mounting points, plastic battery box, covered terminals and externally accessible kill switch. I can't really see why this shouldn't be allowed - if people want to keepcosts down they don't have to do it. Simple. Don't stress about it yet, Jeff's all over it. |
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trackattack
Post #1368
actually I am struggling to find some kind of australian std or qld transport rule that covers mounting batteries in the cabin of a car. QUOTE Any modification not specifically noted above is NOT allowed. Please check with us before you make any changes that may place your car outside the rules.
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Evaded Motorsport
Post #1369
QUOTE (trackattack @ Jun 20 2010, 08:34 PM) actually I am struggling to find some kind of australian std or qld transport rule that covers mounting batteries in the cabin of a car. I think we can resolve the acid issue with sealed gel batteries. but finding a current standard or manufacturers instructions on the correct mounting requirements is proving to be an issue. They guys who have a battery box in their cars, do you have installation instructions suitable for motorsport ? Dont forget the following part of the rules right at the bottom..... From memory Sealed Gel Cell batteries just need to be securely mounted. Acid batteries have to be enclosed in a battery box that is vented to the outside of the car. Outside of that just make sure it is securely mounted. |
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PRO050
Post #1370
QUOTE (Evaded Motorsport @ Jun 20 2010, 08:37 PM) From memory Sealed Gel Cell batteries just need to be securely mounted. Acid batteries have to be enclosed in a battery box that is vented to the outside of the car. Outside of that just make sure it is securely mounted. That's how I understand it as well. |
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trackattack
Post #1371
QUOTE (PRO050 @ Jun 20 2010, 08:39 PM) That's how I understand it as well. yeah but where is it written down ? |
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nodrog
Post #1372
Jeff |
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nodrog
Post #1373
Found this in the following CAMS manuals - |
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trackattack
Post #1374
The rules are pretty simple - http://www.excelcup.com.au |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1375
QUOTE (trackattack @ Jun 21 2010, 11:39 AM) The rules are pretty simple - http://www.excelcup.com.au Stock std excel from 86-2000 Right from the start everything about the car had to be stock standard except for the following - retail springs - brake pads - exhaust from the twin primaries back - heavy duty clutch - air intake - swaybars - restricted to road tyres 200 treadwear - up to 15" wheels (the only rule change) - Roll cage, harness, race seats etc are encouraged - sign writing is permitted Either your car complies with the class or it doesnt. I dont understand why people keep looking for extra ways to spend money that gives them no advantage or safety benefit. If something was a safety improvement I would allow it. If something was an inexpensive handling improvement I would allow it. What I need to consider about every single rule that I write for the class is the liability that I am exposed to. Example, why do I allow race seats ? - Somebody makes a seat for racing in race cars - their liability - They also make rails to mount the seat - their liability - There is a code that covers the mounting to the floor (75x50x3 plate etc etc) - Gov covers this. - Its an obvious safety improvement when used in conjunction with a race harness and roll cage My liability is virtually zero because we are increasing the safety of the driver and someone else has done all of the design work. If I allow battery's to be mounted inside the cab then there are at least 2 issues to be covered - Acid burns and fumes - sealed Gel batteries will probably cover this, subject to some investigation. - Mounting and keeping the battery place during an accident - I cant yet find a code that covers this and the battery box manufacturers conveniently forget to provide this. Secondary to the above, what benefit is there to spending the money to cabin mount the battery ? Very little that I can see, especially where people are mounting them behind the rear wheel line. Its no good referring to CAMS as we dont run under CAMS Insurance. The benefits that we obtain running under AASA would be eroded if we went to CAMS. - Lakeside doesnt have a cams license - you would have to join a cams car club - your entry fees would be more expensive - your race license would be more expensive - your circuit racing gear would need to be FIA approved (more expensive) - etc etc I am happy for people to run their excels in our Atmo class and make any changes to the car that you want because I am not prescribing any rules for that class except that you comply with the requirements that our insurers ask you to comply with. So you have a choice which class your car run in, nobody is forcing you to comply with the "Stock Excel" class just because you have an excel. Stick a turbo on it if you want and come and run in the forced induction class, its not a problem. The guys who are following the rules are complaining to me that the others aren't abiding by them. Why should the guys who are doing the right thing have to spend money to make the same mods that the people who "assumed" have made ? That doesn't seem fair to me. Gordon, Just bring your car out and drive it and have some fun. People are getting too caught up with all of the internet bullshit when they should be enjoying their cars. Totally agree!!!!!!! If rules change we will be notified on any such changes. In my case any modification already done as part of development work is defined in a rule it will be changed to conform. |
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trackattack
Post #1378
Track Attack is attending the Sprints at Lakeside this Thursday. |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1379
QUOTE (trackattack @ Jun 22 2010, 08:13 AM) Track Attack is attending the Sprints at Lakeside this Thursday. To enter follow this link - http://www.trackattack.com.au/2010/index.p...=reg_individual Spectators free entry. for more information visit - http://www.trackattack.com.au/midweek Cheers Jeff Track Attack Would love to bring the S12 out Jeff to stir those bloody Excel owners up lol, but am on Hamilton Island. |
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trackattack
Post #1382
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mr_squiggle_1
Post #1384
and learn more about your car... rain teaches you more than 3 or 4 days in the dry. |
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slow bus
Post #1387
well guys I have deceided to sell up |
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trackattack
Post #1389
sounds like a cheap race car. QUOTE QLD RACEWAY'S DRIVER TRAINING DAY AT LAKESIDE
* Location - Lakeside Raceway Driver Training Center * Duration - 4 hours * Possible Instructors - Glen Seton, Paul Stockel, Ryan Hansford, Greg Fahey * Cost - $200.00 including * Tea, Coffee and Water provided THEORY * Theory component includes 1 hour of classroom tuition on Vehicle Dynamics and Car Control Practical * Practical component will be 3 hours on the Driver Training Area * Actions, inactions and reactions of car control Follow on.... A further hours training will be available at a later date on "Lakeside Raceway" at the cost of an additional $50.00 and will include. This additional training will only be made available to those who attend the driver training day at the Driver Training Center * The Perfect Line * Action's Do's and Dont's * Braking Points Note: * The Course may not run if there are less than 20 participants * The course date will be confirmed once sufficient numbers are reached * Whilst the days will be front wheel drive orientated RWD cars will be accepted to make up the numbers * Payment will be directly to Queensland Raceways |
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efghia
Post #1392
this is gonna have me thinking hard over the weekend. QUOTE (slow bus @ Jun 25 2010, 08:18 AM) well guys I have deceided to sell up
I have a 97 SOHC Excel race preped for sale $1900 Fully stripped interior (dash and front door cards have been reinstalled after painting) 4 point roll cage Custom short shifter Fixed back race seat FAI approved comes with a set of 15x7 wheels poly sway bar bushed poly lca bushes Tacho dash New parts Monroe front struts Front King springs Lovell rear springs Front brake pads Front rotors (not installed) radiator spark leads spark plugs pod filter side exit exhaust camber bolts front and rear 3" Monza 6 point harness FIA approved and current it is painted silver the front half and the rear is standard purple, the only thing left to do is get in and race I also have a car trailer, for sale beaver tail so you can drive lowered cars up $2800 I will do it for $4500 as the package   |
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180_project
Post #1393
In case discussion on springs is still open for suggestions. 
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trackattack
Post #1394
The springs are pretty straight, the rears in the S2 X3 is conical. |
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180_project
Post #1396
QUOTE (trackattack @ Jun 25 2010, 07:38 PM) The springs are pretty straight, the rears in the S2 X3 is conical. Also solves the trapment issue with short springs. I just sent my suspension guy an email to see what he can get. We can also get progressive bump stops which may be useful. I'll check at work tomorrow if I can get these through any of the US based suppliers, although I believe the best price would be found on an online, US based, speed shop. And yeah I agree with you about the uncompressed spring length, I spoke to Kings the other day and was told that what we'd require (lowered body height, higher rate) wouldn't be possible with excel springs, he said the 'lows' for the excel are just captive now. |
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GT_88
Post #1397
HI. |
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trackattack
Post #1398
Working on a few "Control" components at the moment to have ready for next year. |
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benno.h
Post #1399
QUOTE (trackattack @ Jun 26 2010, 06:40 PM) Working on a few "Control" components at the moment to have ready for next year. There is a bit of mucking around to find components that work with reasonably standard setups. There is a bit more detail on the Track Attack website, but basically we are looking at - Control fixed strut top - Control spring pack What exactly will a control fixed strut top be, and how will it be different to just requiring people to use stock strut tops and mounting points? Also, it doesn't seem like a control spring pack will be cheaper for people as opposed to just having springs completely free - custom wound springs are pretty much the same price as the current stock options I think. |
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trackattack
Post #1400
the strut top we are looking at will be in a fixed offset position. |
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