Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

tgg

hey everyone, name is Jason a mate and I are getting into this series we have a car that we want to get rolling we are chasing some standard struts or even just spirngs some stock wheels and a starter motor anyhelp would be great 0432 768 384 thanks.. Ill see you there tomorrow

wasas

woooohooo! Benno ran a 68.0 today! movin on up
Com on Jeff! need some more circuit racing!

benno.h

yeah, 68.00 and a 69.75 despite locking up the brakes into Hungry - stoked with finally breaking the 70 second barrier!

Can't wait for the next meet now.

PRO050

Nice work, great driving.
Cheers Paul

trackattack

Preliminary Results are up

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Beannie

hey guys, how was sunday?! how was everybody's cars in terms of scrutineering etc, i know there's been a lot of talk, just wondering if there were some simple things that some overlooked and need to have fixed for next time etc.

unfortunatly myself and dan couldn't make it, our father passed away on Friday evening, losing his short battle with cancer.

we hope to make it for june/july though!

GT_88

bargain....$360

last week

Mounfield Racing

Hey Jeff, another fun packed day of Sprints. After towing the S12 to Stanthorpe only to have the event canceled due to rain, it was appreciated that you accepted my very late entry. Had a ball in the S12. Nice to see safety inspections on the cars as well and every one I spoke to were happy to go home and fix any issues raised with their cars. Including me, with a minor problem identified with an expensive side mount race seat slide on car 81.

Cheers Ralph

trackattack

Well I am glad that everyone had fun
The vehicle inspections went well and I am not aware of any major problems.

We have had a few discussions about tyres on here, so I have some feedback for you !
I spent the day testing the Talon Sport
The Talon is made by Triangle and is a pretty tough road tyre

Treadwear = 400
Price = $60 each

Best time = 70.3
Tyre wear - no obvious wear (pretty tough tyre)
They seemed to respond to softer pressures, but obviously sidewall flex was more evident

Points to note:
The tyres have been buffed to reduce tread squirm ($25 per tyre)
My Car needs more negative camber as the outer edge of the tyre was showing some wear.
The wheel alignment was done by me as I ran out of time to get it done properly (i changed a flogged out rack end on the car)
My previous experience is RWD not FWD, so someone else may have made better use of the tyres.

To Sum up I would say that the Talon would be adequate for somebody who wanted to have a long lasting tyre, especially for sprints.
The tyres did give a lot of feedback and were quite audible when reaching the edge of grips levels.

My personal feel is that the tyre may be too hard for circuit racing
Many of our guys are new to the sport, and certainly will be novices at Circuit racing and we dont want cars that move around a lot as none of us wants to be repairing panels after race meetings.

If anybody wants the set I used for testing you can have them for $240 (which means free buffing)

Cheers Jeff

wasas

So from that will you be testing the RS-595 next week (meeting) as a possible circuit tyre? I'd like to know how that performs as I've heard they get squishy/washy after 5 laps.
If it doesnt seem to be the way to go what other cheap options do you have?

trackattack

The RSR will be a good one to test if I get a chance.

A couple of the guys have run RSR's.
They are a fairly hard tyre for a Semi Slick, so shouldn't overheat and go squishy in an Excel.
I have spoken to some of the guys who have mentioned that they go off, and they are running them as hard as they are running the Achilles which is way too hard for a semi with stiff sidewalls.

I haven't run the RSR yet myself, but I would imagine cold pressures somewhere between 25 and 30 psi should be about right.
Robby has run them on his car and I think they were good for sub 60's on the QR sprint circuit on a much heavier vehicle than the Excel.

I would like to do a lot more tyre testing, but I dont really have a testing budget at the moment.

X3man

Do they rate the Achilles as worse than the RS-R?
I run my R888's at around 30-35 Hot pressure, how does that compare with their pressures?

trackattack

A lot of the guys I spoke to are running 40 and 45+ psi which is way too hard for a proper race tyre.
around 32-33 psi hot is where I usually run my Toyo's on the Datsun.

GT_88

HI All,

As we as yet have been unable to get out and chat to you guys.
Just want your feedback on a few things as we are just to start prep the car for circuit racing.

1. How is the 15inch wheel going?Is it worth going to that size rim?
Just read Jeff's feedback on limitation maybe on Camber adjustment etc.
2. What sort of tyres are the guys using for racing?

3. Are the swaybar changes working with the cars setup?

4. Could someone give us some intructions for relocating the Battery to the rear?

Thanks Guys,

ps. We would be in for a meeting of some sort to clarify regs etc.

GT

benno.h

We started the RSRs at about 36 psi cold from memory and have been gradually increasing pressures to try and control shoulder wear and heat damage (of which there has been a reasonable amount).

On sunday I ran 40psi cold in the front and 44 in the rear. Whilst we did increase the camber at the front end a smidge as well, this weekend was the first time tyre temps have been consistent across the tread (about 2ºC higher at the inside edge of the front left tyre which is spot on from what I've read) whereas previously we had at least a 20ºC temperature differential across the tread (higher at the shoulder) and much worse tyre wear (all on the shoulder).

I also beat my previous PB by over four seconds.

We're getting the RSRs buffed so that should knock off most of the scalloping that we've had to date (heat damage I presume) and I guess we'll see how they perform next time.

A mate of mine mentioned, and I'm not sure how true this is, that a true slick tyre may be less susceptible to heat damage and thus last longer - any opinions on this?

X3man

From what i understand to get the best from your tyres; you take the inner and outer temps after your runs and compair the average to the temp of the middle of the tyre.
If the middle of the tyre is higher than the average drop the pressure. If the middle of the tyre is lower than the average raise pressure. Until the average is the same as the middle.
Alter camber to even out temps across the tyres. Possibly stiffer springs too if your wearing the outside edges at extremes.

Big_Red_

The Federal's listed under "Excel series tyres" on trackattack are the SS model not the RS-R right?
If you are going to be testing the RS-R though does that mean they might become another subsidised tyre for the series?
Basically I just need to buy tyres asap (as in this week) and don't want to make the wrong move

wasas

I'm thinkinking he ment the SS... Maybe give Jeff a call (as his prices for rubber are really REALLY good anyway)

trackattack

Federal SS 595 is the one that complies with the current rules of 200+ treadwear.
We do still have a couple of guys running RSR's under the amnesty.

One of my concerns for the circuit racing is that the cars dont move around too much.
If you watch some of the videos from the last top gear they cars squirm around quite a bit event on full race slicks.
My main concern is helping our inexperienced drivers avoid panel damage.
and I want to avoid it on my car as well :cool:
Which is why we may open up RSR to the category.

Marlin

Mate, I'm very very sorry to hear this. My sincere condolences to you and your loved ones.

Marlin

The RSR is not a tyre you can call a "race tyre", not even close. It is merely a road tyre construction with a softer compound. Therefore, it needs to be treated as a road tyre, with road tyre pressures.

The Toyo tyre you run on the Datto Jeff IS a true "R" compound tyre, and as such can be treated as a "race" tyre, and run race tyre pressures (read: lower).

trackattack

Que Robby to tell us what pressures he runs them at on his Nissan at QR ......

wasas

JEFF!!!

I've just read Morgan Park has been redone! What are the odds of getting a field of cars out there under aasa for circuit, or even sprints under l2s?? Alot of people still have them from mt cotton (I know I do anyway and want to use it..)

Whats the story about it!? If the Gemini's can run I assume we can too!?

trackattack

yep you guys can use your level 2 for practise and sprints at MP.
If we are going to try to do a track day out there we will need a lot of our guys to be prepared to drive out there and support the event to cover the costs.

trackattack

Our first foray into a dusty event is Sunday the 27th of June at Willowbank Park Raceway. The track has a very smooth compacted surface and is suitable for road cars and many race cars.

Early bird price is only $90 for a whole day of sprints - Enter Here ! - www.trackattack.com.au/dirtsprints

wasas

Ahh Wish I could goto the dirt but I'll be on holidays for that weekend.

If we race circuit morgan park does it need to be under CAMS?? or will they run it under AASA? A weekend race series later in the year might be of interest to a few people?

trackattack

I dont know if they will accept AASA.
If they want CAMS we would need to bring a CAMS car club on board to do it.

PRO050

Count me in for sure on this one Jeff, I'll take both cars and someone can drive the Excel.

Mounfield Racing

As for tyres I always run my S12 (Gazelle) on RSR's. As usual set them at 32 cold and although they were new and not buffed, I ran it last weekend first time at Lakeside since 1975 and managed a 106 each run they never went off. In fact, they get better with every lap as they come on. Naturally our Excels are on SS595s and although they are still new they are working well. Must be we managed a 111 in a car that we had just built and never been on track before. Buff a set of SS595s and at a guess, you will be surprised.

GT_88

We were out there (Saloons) on the weekend- bloody freezing!.
I know you can go up on Wed arvo sprints as we use to go up for the whole day practising.
Not sure if they run under ASSA
We would have to run under a CLUB banner and under CAMS regs.
I'm pretty sure they run sprints up there without cams controlled.
The new track should be opened next month I think?

When is the next event that excels are racing so we can make it out there and talk to someone who's up in racing?
We want to find out some stuff for our car so we can start on it.

Thanks

GT

wasas

Our car is circuit race prepped, and we have been out to the last 2 circuit days (Heaps of fun!!) so if you have any questions feel free to PM me, or check the trackattack forum as all the questions/answers for the excels are up there as well.

If I hear about a sprint/advanced driver thingy out at MP I'll let everyone here know. I'm asking the last place that I went with and I think Jeff's looking into it as well.

If we can get enough numbers out there I'm sure he could put on a day for us, but we really need to get some interest happening first.

vlt88t

Heres a link to Morgan Park site and track pics -- http://www.morganparkraceway.com.au/trackext3a.htm

trackattack

I just spoke to Bill, Morgan park will only work under CAMS.
We can get CAMS insurance through Track Attack, but its painful and expensive.
Realistically the only way that I would look at Morgan Park now would probably be in conjunction with a CAMS car club that has the officials that we need to satisfy their requirements.
Similar to the way that we do our Mt Cotton events who also wont accept AASA Insurance.

wasas

Is that for sprints as well as circuit?
Are there any other clubs putting a meeting on soon? (the link above has something in September with free spots...)

trackattack

Its for any track hire.
Their practice days also require you to hold a current cams L2s
Their supersprint series is CAMS Based - the L2S you got from the Mt Cotton day will be ok for this.

also Bill reckons the next free weekend dates are 18th and 19th of December

Cheers.