Hyundai Excel Racing Series - Track Attack - Evil things are about to happen to Hyundai Excels  

NISMOgemini

is there issues with the stock rails themselves???? or is it issues with adaption from the stock rails to the new seats

NISMOgemini

PRO050, would u do seat mountings at the same time as cage installs? or your only doing cages?

PRO050

Don't let this get all out of control, the factory seat brace was not the problem it was that the bolts pulled thru the fiberglass seat.
I spent a far while looking over the car as I did the cage for Nick, I didn't mount the seat just the cage let me make this clear.
Saftey first I think all the cars should have cages, harnesses, and a good race seat before swaybar ect. if your on a budget get these things first.
It is a very easy mod to remove the standard seat bracing and lower the seat, if you know what your doing if you don't PM me and I can do it for you without much cost. The cage in Nick held up perfectly as you would expect from a saftey item, so much so that I had another look today and could probably pull the rail and replace the beaver and tail gate and the car would be fine to race again, the top of the rear towers haven't moved at all.
All the best Nick on you recovery.
Cheers Paul

PRO050

I can, and have done for a few guys, I don't like the seats high, in my Falcon I have it all but on the floor just with a 25*25 brace.
Very strong and stable.
Cheers Paul
PS All my cages are tig welded.

NISMOgemini

paul, do u have any pics of the cages u have put in? or anyone else whos had one done?

Sharpy

Text from anna last night said that Nick had a fractured neck. They were waiting for a specialist to come out of theater to let them know if Nick has to stay or if he can go home and wear a neck brace for 6-8 weeks. Looks to be the latter.


At the end of the day. It's racing, and a sport which involves a certain amount of risk. All racers go in knowing this, and it's a risk you take. It's not going to stop me from going to the track thats for sure. I had a brilliant time out yesterday!

PRO050

Full cage for Jeff track attack, Nick who crashed on Sunday, Brett, Chistan, Ben and a few others.
The dyno boys are next on the list to get one.

wasas

we've had a cage done by paul, was very good but did raise an eyebrow about getting it plated for the street. if you want to keep it road reg bolt it is the way to go, apart from that the work is good and (touch wood) hope we never need to test it.

FidEL

We are also doing a number of these - CAMS certification available if required - Cold Drawn Seamless tube

They are $1400 fitted - weld in- full cage - boxed mounts, no flat mounting plates (see front foot wells for example)

Picked up a few cars for work yesterday actually who were very impressed with the work - including 2 of the show/shine cars!

Beannie

looks good!!

PRO050

[/quote] We are also doing a number of these - CAMS certification available if required - Cold Drawn Seamless tube

They are $1400 fitted - weld in- full cage - boxed mounts, no flat mounting plates (see front foot wells for example)

Picked up a few cars for work yesterday actually who were very impressed with the work - including 2 of the show/shine cars!
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Nice work, $1400 cheap insurance.
A good cage will let you live to race another day.
Here one I crashed tested myself 145 mph not one weld failed (tig welded)

trackattack

Yep Nick has to a wear kneck brace for 8 weeks.
Wishing Nick a full recovery, we all wish him well.

Any time that I build a race car the first thing that I do is put in a cage, race seat and harness.
I cant recommend highly enough that you guys get yourselves the correct safety gear.

Go and see Paul or Ralph and get the cars setup properly, Its still the cheapest motorsport that you will ever be part off.
Ferris at Quattromotive will also help with race car prep (lots of Rally experience)

You can see now why I have made such a fuss about Dashes being kept in the cars.
And why the officials keep dragging people back in and reminding them of the rules.
I just want to reiterate that there are rules about overtaking at sprint meetings because we need them for safety as you have seen yesterday.

benno.h

AHHHHH!! NOOOO!

Car looks like it was damn nice before the crash mate.

That's where the rear brace in our car came from, yeah?

And for anyone else who's planning just to do sprints, it may be legal to not have a cage but you'd be crazy not to have one. Particularly at the prices Paul charges.

Mounfield Racing

To clear this merry - go - round topic up, it should be noted that this is not Paul, Ralph or Jeff attempt to sell you a cage, or a specific brand of seat or harness. Nor do we want to stretch your budget and make the series out of the reach of the average driver. This (well in my case) is all about being able to ask for advice should you be unsure what is and what is not an appropriate way of doing a modification. In closing, the stock excel seat mounted to the stock slide mech and lap/sash safety belt is an option, but not one I would take.

Innuendo

All the best to Nick. Shall be out on the 30th

trackattack

Hey Guys,

I just got off the phone with Nick.
He thanks everybody for their concern,

Nick made a special mention that having the door trims in the car saved his arm from being cut,
so you can see now why we make such an issue of these things.

He's hoping to come out on the 30th and watch the rest of us running around.
cheers.

inj16v

this is the cause of a fractured neck! Imagine floating around inside this car after it hit the wall! Sprints are not racing! no need to over take at all and this is the result of a poor choice on track! U can have all the safety gear u can but when u hit a wall @ 170-180 like Nick did something has to give! This is his car

GT_88

HI Jeff,

Couldnt get there on Sunday to come and see you.
This event was only a sprint one ?

Do you know when you'll be racing together as a class next?
Also,
Have you noticed from the cars that have raced together (Single Cam and Twin Cam models)
any difference between them at all?torque etc...lap times

Just missed out on a twim cam for sale tonight.....

Thanks

GT

PRO050

Peter ran a 66 with a single cam so the singles are just as fast as the twins.

GT_88

Pro,

Thats a pretty good lap time coming out of the Excels..well done!

Do you know what sort of 15's rim fits on the excel hubs?
Without going to expense of new wheels?


Gt

PRO050

The Excel has a PCD of 114.3 and a center bore of 67.1
I got a set off ebay 2rd hand but never used for $150 plus $50 for the ride.
Go to Trackattack website Jeff has some cheap wheels.
Cheers Paul
PS. Excels will go 65's very soon.

GT_88

Thanks for the info Pro...
will do...

PRO050

Nick if you reading these posts "Harden the F%#K up" it's all but a little scrap.
Call me when your up to it, that car can be fixed.

Beannie

im finding wheels to suit are difficult, most 15's im finding have a smaller centre bore of around 73mm (such as nissan wheels??) or am i missing something? every wheel ive tried doesn't fit over the hub's centre snugly.

FidEL

the wheels need to be pocketed on teh front (ie not multifit, have recesses between studs, to clear front hub bolts)

trackattack

The Nissan wheels that I bought needed to have the the center hole chamfered on the inside edge.
As its alloy I did it with some dremel style attachments that fitted in my drill.
The offset on the nissan wheels seems to be pretty good.
I think I can get used nissan wheels for about $120 a set of 4.

I have found some brand new 15" wheels that should fit straight on the Excel without any extra drilling.
Lotus or Profin $105.00 each
http://www.trackattack.com.au/2010/index.p...;product=825247




Hi GT,

The single cams make a touch more HP down low and the twins make a bit more up top.
They have slightly different gear ratios as well.
I honestly dont think it makes much difference which you buy.
I bought a single cam.

The meeting on the 16th was a "Sprint" Meeting.
Next circuit racing meeting is this sunday the 23rd,
not many Excels are going circuit racing yet, we need more Excels doing circuit racing !
Next sprint meeting is Sunday 30th May at Lakeside.

Event dates are here - http://www.trackattack.com.au/excel
Cheers Jeff

Evaded Motorsport

The only reason Nick has any injuries is because that seat collapsed. There is no way with the hit he took that it should of broken. If that hadn't of failed he would of walked out with no more than a bruised ego and at worst a bit of whiplash.

Edit: Also after having a look at Phil and Paul's cages I highly recommend them. I also recommend to whoever had the cage in one of the green excel's for them to go see Phil or Paul because the cage was just dangerous. (That cage was not built by Phil or Paul)

trackattack

I think I know who owns that car and have sent them an email to get it checked.

Evaded Motorsport

Good idea. The last thing we need is someone crashing and ended up with bad injuries from a poorly designed cage.

PRO050

Beannie you can get hub ring adaptor to make a larger hub centre wheel fit the smaller excel hub.
Cheers Paul

FidEL

I must comment - i noted a white excel with no cage but just a harness bar - the welding on which visually appeared to be nothing short of scary. I would suggest to the owner of this to get it checked, the last thing you want is a questionable mounting fixture for your harness!

I was also surprised at roll cages with either a small base plate, or in one instance NO base plate on the mounts, the rube will just punch straight through the floor or tower in a rollover. Boxed mounting points is the way to go!

Half assed safety upgrades are more often than not, more dangerous than none!

PRO050

3.2.2 Mounting of safety cages to the bodyshell:
Option 1
Minimum mountings are:
• 1 for each leg of the main or lateral roll bar;
• 1 for each of the front roll bar;
• 1 for each backstay (see 3.2.3).
E
ach mounting foot of the front, main and lateral roll bars must include a reinforcement plate, of a thickness of at least 3mm which must not be less than that of the tube onto which it is welded.
E
ach mounting foot must be attached by at least three bolts on a steel reinforcement plate at least 3mm thick and of at least 12,000mm2 area which is welded to the bodyshell. Examples are shown in drawings 253-18 to 253-24. (For drawings 253-18 and 253-20, the reinforcement plate does not necessarily have to be welded to the bodyshell.) This does not necessarily apply to backstays (see below).
Bolts must
be either M8 size to ISO standard 8.8, hexagon head high tensile fasteners to AS2465 or cap screws to AS1420 with nuts to AS1112 or better. Pins for removable connections (see drawing 253-30) shall the same strength specification as the bolts.
F
asteners must be self-locking or fitted with lock washers.
These ar
e minimum requirements. In addition to these requirements, more fasteners may be used, the roll bar legs may be welded to reinforcement plates, the safety cage may be welded to the bodyshell. Roll bar mounting feet must not be welded directly to the bodyshell without a reinforcement plate.
Option 2
Non-international use only: As an alternative to welding reinforcement plates to the chassis of the vehicle, each attachment point of the safety cage may be fitted with a base foot and lower plate complying with the table below. The base foot, complying with the area requirements shown below may be welded to the bodyshell, in which case the use of bolts and the lower plate is not required (see drawing 6-4).
Option 3
Where group regulations permit, the roll over protection may be an integral part of a space frame tubular chassis. The safety cage shall comply with these regulation from a point above where the predominantly vertical portion of the safety cage meets a predominantly horizontal portion of the chassis. Parts of the safety cage may extend below this horizontal plane and become integral with the chassis.
Application
Minimum Area
Minimum single dimension
Base foot Cars under 700kg 55mm
701kg to 1150kg 65mm
Over 1151kg 75mm

FidEL

Please note modified seat mount by comparison to passenger side - time consuming but extremely safe and effective

trackattack

Just to clarify, If your building you car to comply with CAMS you need a 75x50x3 plate for harness and seat mountings that aren't ADR.

http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_re...dule_C_Q210.pdf

http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_re...dule_I_Q210.pdf

FidEL

That makes more sense - referring to the 75x50mm seat mounting plate being required only to un-reinforced floorpan sections! As below you previously stated that any non factory mounted seat required the plate - This plate is only required if the chosen mounting points are not currently reinforced. Mounting through existing subframes or elsewhere on existing seat cradles is fine WITHOUT needing these panels