brendo12
Post #1051
getting springs made up will obviously be better for racing purposes than any NORMAL off the shelf spring as they are only made for everyday driving and specifically to lower the vehicle, this sort of thing needs to be sorted out now before other people go out and do the same thing and then a big shit fight will start..they are not classed as readily available as someone cant just walk into repco, global, or any other normal parts shop and ask for a set or rockhampton specials, IMO, jeff we need a list of springs and struts that are legal... |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1052
getting springs made up will obviously be better for racing purposes than any NORMAL off the shelf spring as they are only made for everyday driving and specifically to lower the vehicle, this sort of thing needs to be sorted out now before other people go out and do the same thing and then a big shit fight will start..they are not classed as readily available as someone cant just walk into repco, global, or any other normal parts shop and ask for a set or rockhampton specials, IMO, jeff we need a list of springs and struts that are legal... Yes Jeff these issues need to be addressed. However, in regard to what constitutes a shelf item these springs can be obtained by anyone from the supplier Part Numbers are C95-610 front, c95-611 rear. |
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trackattack
Post #1053
Struts - I "assumed" that as everybody was keeping the std struts, is this not the case ? |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1054
Struts - I "assumed" that as everybody was keeping the std struts, is this not the case ? anything not stated in the rules as an approved modification is not permitted, so currently only excel struts are allowed. If you guys want to run alternative struts I'll have to have a look at it. You MUST use the standard brakes, so bear that in mind. Ralph, Can you send me the spec's and pricing on the springs ? We already have the "Track Attack" approved spring pack that I have put together So I dont have a problem approving other spring packs if they conform to the general theme of the class. Readily available and not overly expensive. I'll let you know when I have the details. Cheers Jeff Yes Jeff price on coil from Dobinsons Spring and Suspension, Rockhampton was $84.61 per coil, part numbers are C95-610 front and C95-611 rear. These are a shelf item available through out-lets on request. Another area of consideration is to bear in mind, us from out of Brisbane, do not have Repco, Pedders, Fulcrum or Burnsons stores on every corner, so one has to consider freight charges and delivery times when we buy a product. My struts are direct replacement KYB $132.23 per strut. Given the new spring fits the direct replacement strut seat and uses factory Hyundai top plate, my package is consistent with the rules. Should some of the people making comments on this subject prefer that you nominate a supplier or a control spring/strut package i will order 5 sets immediately, but i will not pay freight if such items are only available in Brisbane simply because the majority of car owners live in Brisbane. |
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Evaded Motorsport
Post #1055
I don't think that is the issue Ralph it is more people being worried that other people are going to go out to someone and go hey make me a set of springs and can you make them a shelf item. It kind of defeats the original intent of the rule. I think from future it would be best to have to seek pre-approval from Jeff with regards to having something done like you have through Dobsons |
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FidEL
Post #1056
As far as I care, if you live in Rocky, you can walk into and get some then thats fine |
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Beannie
Post #1057
I will be interested to see how many are NOT running standard or replacement dash, doortrims etc... and therefore not complying with class rules - videos on youtube show the series leaders car running no dash! Hey Phil, on the topic of this, the rule for keeping the standard dash came about after a few of the entrants were removing them and had been raised by QLD Raceways mgmt of a safety issue. that is why you see some 'older' videos of some cars running without replacement or standard dashes. my impression is that anyone without this dash as a minimum safety regulation would not pass scrutineering for the entry |
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trackattack
Post #1060
RE - Mounfield Racing Spring Pack |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1062
ditto Awkward to give an accurate spring rate for the following reason. The term progressive means it depends on what load is on the spring at a specified time or weight transfer in our case. As you would appreciate, progressive rate springs, like any non progressive spring, are measured in lbs per inch of compression. Naturally the term progressive means they have more restriction the more they are compressed or loaded. For the uneducated a conical coil as fitted to any late model Excel (170mm base-120mm top)has a progressive rate simply through the increasing dia of the coil windings. Early models did not use conical rear coils and as such were not progressive rate. Maybe we can do some technical scientific testing and maybe it will show my coils are the only fully compliant replacement ones being used in a factory conical model. Maybe they will prove to be crap and I too will try another brand. Sunday will be the test. |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1064
Hey Jeff, What about in the near future having a get together with current drivers and new people wanting to come in the class? Maybe that way we can discuss and throw up new discussion areas about promoting this style of racing? just a thought, GT Count me in! |
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Mounfield Racing
Post #1065
From an outsider's perspective springs should be free, visually it would be virtually impossible to tell anyway. Dampers? Anything that will fit inside the stock strut? ARB's, free? This all gives some freedom for tuning and experimentation without involving big $. My personal view is that any spring that utilise stock Hyundai spring top cap and bottom strut seat, should be allowed. Struts are sealed from factory and therefore no modification to allow for inserts should be permitted. |
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trackattack
Post #1066
We can probably organise a breakfast or lunch at the restaurant at Lakeside with a bit of a track cruise afterwards if there are enough people interested |
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sv8nato
Post #1068
i have a excel race ready if someone wants to buy it,i have already raced it at lakeside and qr has been stripped out 15inch mags, recaro seat,harness,lowered springs,painted up and ready to go just needs cage(if u want one)just got commitments elsewhere and no time to race now, contact me on 0410309011 if u need more info |
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GT_88
Post #1069
i have a excel race ready if someone wants to buy it,i have already raced it at lakeside and qr has been stripped out 15inch mags, recaro seat,harness,lowered springs,painted up and ready to go just needs cage(if u want one)just got commitments elsewhere and no time to race now, contact me on 0410309011 if u need more info Hi I.ve sent you a PM GT |
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nodrog
Post #1070
With all the debating about what can and can't be added or run on the cars maybe the time for 2 classes of Excels is getting closer. I seem to recall there was the idea of Stock and Mod spoken about before. How about the current rules are those for Stock, and nothing gets changed, except for the control tyre ($60 tyre) Jeff has mentioned, and the Mod class can do whatever they like except for engine mods. |
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trackattack
Post #1073
Dont stress about the springs, as I said before its all developmental at the moment so lets see what works best before we make any decisions. |
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FidEL
Post #1074
But not coil overs or adjustable suspension. And the mods permitted to the suspension are limited to springs only, and to be pedantic the springs must be available from more than 1 outlet (the word outletS is used meaning multiple). Ralph is using Dobinsons springs - They have branches in a few capital cities - whats ya point? |
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JoshForsyth
Post #1075
The sad part is that the 2 that currently go to lakeside run around there in 70 seconds which a lot of other cars cant make. haha yeah i saw them last week i think it was, that werent going that bad haha |
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benno.h
Post #1076
With all the debating about what can and can't be added or run on the cars maybe the time for 2 classes of Excels is getting closer. I seem to recall there was the idea of Stock and Mod spoken about before. How about the current rules are those for Stock, and nothing gets changed, except for the control tyre ($60 tyre) Jeff has mentioned, and the Mod class can do whatever they like except for engine mods. The Mod class will be able to run whatever suspension, brake, tyre and wheel choice they want and spend as much as they want to get their car to go fast. Those in Stock class run to the current rules and no moaning and groaning about the rules. If they do then welcome to the Mod class. Just my 2 cents worth!! If the 'Stock' class is what is currently permitted then maybe... but to be honest I don't really think a mod class is necessary. I don't think these cars need to be made dramatically faster, all the queries so far have largely been due to misunderstandings about what is permitted. Once things are well known and clear there shouldn't be too much of an issue, other than the usual desire of some individuals to be competitive. Let's face it, we all want to be competitive and some of us will look for that advantage a little harder than others. |
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PRO050
Post #1079
So who was the guy that put one of the other excels into the wall and into hospital? I heard this wasn't the first time this has happened either? Not sure what you mean, Nick who crashed his excel today had never crashed there before. If you mean excels in general than one went over on it's roof a couple of week ago in a low speed roll (turning in the gravel trap) Cars that push past their limits hit the walls, all cars not just Excels. An Evo when in the wall in group 1 today on the first lap, group 1 being the faster and most experienced drivers so this happen to everyone not just the excels. Cheers Paul |
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Sharpy
Post #1080
Not sure what you mean, Nick who crashed his excel today had never crashed there before. If you mean excels in general than one went over on it's roof a couple of week ago in a low speed roll (turning in the gravel trap) Cars that push past their limits hit the walls, all cars not just Excels. An Evo when in the wall in group 1 today on the first lap, group 1 being the faster and most experienced drivers so this happen to everyone not just the excels. Cheers Paul I'm not having a go at anyone, don't get me wrong. What I was saying was I heard that Nick was put into the wall by someone. |
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trackattack
Post #1081
The Day was HUGE ! |
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trackattack
Post #1085
The word yesterday arvo was that he was OK. |
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