How Fast Do The V8 Supercars Lap Qld Raceway During Qualifying? - Compare it to JDM Time Attack  

evaded

Different Circuit configuration so comparing them is a little hard unless you have National Lap times for the GTR's

Lukeyson

yeah the config is different as said, but FYI last years pole position lap by James Courtney was 1:10.73

clutch-monkey

haha fuck me:

wonder what it does on a track it was more suited to, like Phillip Island

GTRVspec95

Interesting question ...

First and foremost the V8 supercars run full slicks so instantly will gain a few seconds over most of the Time attack cars which are restricted to semi slicks

Of the Queensland time attack cars the Hi-octane R32 driven by Mark Berry and Russell Newman have lapped the National Course; V8SC race course in 1:16.60 on semi slicks ...

They traveled to Japan in 2007 to challenge the Japanese at Tsukuba and posted a 59.6 seconds for their first time there.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlvn-89ATns <--- LAP FOOTAGE

Now bear with me on this ...

The fastest Japanese tuned time attack car is the HKS CT230R Evolution 9, which has run the circuit in 53.589 seconds.







^ NOTE: ADVAN A050 semi slicks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTHIBVaVXE <--- LAP FOOTAGE

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/07/01...ct230r-evo.aspx

In 2002, Keiichi Tsuchiya ran the Arta NSX on the course and recorded a time of 51.875 seconds.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFU9aUB0scA <--- LAP FOOTAGE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukuba_Circuit

James Courtney was 1:10.73 in a V8SC, so that's 6 seconds faster then the Hi octane R32, however the Hi octane car is also 6 seconds slower then the fastest tuned Time attack car, and almost 8 seconds slower then a 7 year old Super GT Japanese race car on slicks.

It's all tantalizing calculations of what could possibly happen but nothing is solid until one comes down under and runs the circuit, or a V8SC car is shipped to Tsukuba.

On a side note, the Hi-octane team are planning to bring their new R34 GT-R to Tsukuba at the end of this year to challenge the Japanese again, it will be interesting how fast they can get the car before they bring it over to Japan

http://www.yokohama.com.au/enews/landing/s...ne-r32-r34.aspx

no_bullshit

you guys are comparing a forced induction all wheel drive car compared to a naturally asperiated rear wheel drive car

MYB16

SOOOO?

Have you not watched one Top Gear episode, or read one cars mag? They constantly compare turbo, n/a, awd, rwd supercars.

They are both setup for circuit racing. Therefore compare away, and make of it what you will.

cams

www.natsoft.com.au will give you every lap time at any racetrack.

no_bullshit

there all different class racing and can not be compared correctly. to compare it proply u will need both cars to have same wheel dimentions ride hight ect.. both to be all wheel drive and both to be turbo and both to have same capasity motor, boost ect.


top gear compares road leagal cars a v8 supercar is not road legal, a proper race car is not a legal on the road

45SET

Your joking right.

The way I read that sentence, you can only compare the same car with itself. Both are "race cars"... Its not like you would be able to drive that Evo IX or R32 on the street.

I remember reading somewhere that they bought a JGTC Supra to Australia, and ran it around QR. Apparently it was VERY quick... lapping quicker then the V8SC.

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-20493.html Not sure how good that info is... but search for JGTC. Info is from 2004 but it states

MYB16

Excatly! So you can't compare the Ford F6 to a Holden R8? Or a Evo to a STi because one weighs more then the other?

Come on, seriously. You can compare them, you just need to know what excatly you are comparing to make anything of the times. understand yet?

s13viper

The whole premise of the thread is to compare them, or at least attempt to

Since theres no "direct" comparison, we are taking bits of information from different sources to try and sort it out.

From what i can tell, the V8 Supercars would be slower than the GT500 class cars or similar, allthough faster than a GT300 class car. The time attack cars are more "street" based than race so once again hard to say, i think tires would make a massive difference, but since they dont run full slicks we wouldnt know.

The V8 supercars are ok, but against the worlds competition are well behind, decent power but heavy and weight is bad

unclepaulie

perhaps we should all pool our money and buy a GT500 car and the HKS CT230R

then run them all on the one track on slicks

V8SC v HiOctane R34 v GT500 car v HKS CT230R

no_bullshit

fools

14url

why are they fools? I don't care that the time attack car is turbo and 4wd, v8 supercars are 620 - 650hp and weigh 1335kg minimum and rear wheel drive means you loose less power in the drive train, also you can add to that the fact that an average 2 car team has a budget of around the $10m/year! I couldn't find specs on the super lap gtr that currently holds the record, however based on a factory gtr weighing in at 1560kg, take around 200-250kg off (remember super lap cars must use the factory chassis, no tube frames. And after you've stripped everything you have to add in the weight of a cams approved cage.). That takes us to around 1310kg. Now power according to advan is around 750hp making it's power to weight 570hp/tonne compared to the v8 supercars 460hp/tonne. Then through in the handling advantage gained by slicks and an unlimited amount of datalogged suspension set up knowledge, when compared to road legal semi slicks and a fairly new (to Australia) category with limited track data to set up from, and a much much much smaller budget, and the actual outcome would probably end up being really close. And besides all of that, if I was in a v8 supercar with that kind of budget and I got beaten around a track that my team had more than 15yrs experience racing by a car worth less than half as much by a less experienced driver.......I'd be pissed lol.

Ryan

ausgt-r

V8 Supercars is a regulated series, they are limited in what they can do and use on the car. If there was unlimited freedom then who knows what they could do.

s13viper

same could be said for street cars or any other race series or even a F1 car. So i dont really get your point

ausgt-r

He was comparing a V8 supercar to the super lap GT-R, which has no restrictions. They can do whatever they like to aerodynamics, engine, power, gearbox, basically as much as they want to spend. A V8 supercar cannot, so their performance is restricted to keep an even playing field.

GTRVspec95

What about comparing it to the FIA GT1 class R35 ...





http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/04/08...ia-gt1-r35.aspx



http://mitsuru-1029.cocolog-nifty.com/blog...ek20/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5jYU1N2lE

With the current negotiations going on it might be possible to see something like this race

Vanman-202

53 seconds fuck me

someblackguy

as ive said in a similar thread, the V8 supercars will only go as fast as the regulations allows. Engineering wise, theyre pretty much maxed out as far as the rules will allow.

as for the time attack cars, i dont exactly know the regulations on the open class but my straight forward guess is its pretty relaxed, therefore the cars performance will only be limited by its budget, so its pretty realistic for them to beat a car thats held down by various technical regs, even a fraction of the cost.

so yes, its unfair to compare an open class racing vehicle to a heavily restricted one.

GTRVspec95

For some reason when the Japanese first started racing in Time attack events they decided that any car competing could only run on semi slick tyres.

That in itself is a massive restriction.

metallibanger05

im pretty sure alot of cars could lap qr faster than a v8sc, v8sc are not as fast as they could be their restricted to a certain hp and weight so the racing is fair and equal, its all down to the drivers and their team to make the cars run as best as they can so its good racing

jimmy b

The V8 supercar is a very fast car the fastest sports sedan(alfa gtv) is only a second quiker.We have the fastest tintops in the world here and will make the japanese cars look silly on there semi slicks.The supercars have been around for a long time there quik trust me.Take your car out to QR and see if you can beat a gemini, you will soon see they circulate quite rapidly.

GTRVspec95

Found this little quote ...

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f14/...313/#post230417

Specs from the 2002 Team TOM's JGTC Supra Wayne Gardner raced in



http://svc074.wic006v.server-web.com/caree...upra.cfm?over=3

unclepaulie

i really dont see why people are arguing,

all we want to do is compare a V8 supercar to the top runners of time attack

-two completely different cars, yes
-two different configurations, yes
-both hav a lot of engineering in there cars, tho its V8 info is public and homologated while TT is tight-lipped, yet they can only hav semi's

but thats the idea, millions of dollars and research and tight regulations, australia premium motorsport catorgory versus essentialy cars built from parts available of the shelf, something u could turn your own car into if u had the knowledge and money

heck id like to see v8 s-cars v dtm v btcc v SuperGT v whatever else racing series there are using closed wheel chassis's.




sure people can bitch its not fair or whatever, but the idea of this comparison is just for fun, just to see what if. just like they compar F1's to planes, last time i checked planes dont spend their entire life time accelerating down a run way (they fly in the air for those playing at home) yet, F1 cars are constantly compared to jets, F1's usualy win, but using flight or killing power as a comparison and the jet will come out on top.


it just to see what if , so calm ya farms!

Street Tuned

quite the shit fight.

IMO you can compare any car, just bear in mind they aren't fair comparisons.

Saying V8s can only go as fast as the regulation say is a bit silly. Look at F1 there are SSSOOOOOO many regulations yet every year they get faster and faster.

But I certainly wasn't having a go at the V8SC just that time attack looks like loads of fun and just wanted to see how much slower they are.

Honestly Id love to see the Hi Octane GTR on slicks and see how fast it goes.

benmas22

I second this, i cant believe the tools on the thread, u CANNOT compare cars from different race classes, there in restrictive classes for a reason to keep racing even and fair.

we build a racecar at uni for the formula-SAE and its not as fast as a V8 supercar at QR, cause it maxes out at 160 KLMS due to the 20mm restrictor and the fact we run a close gear ratio, and only run a 600cc engine, because of the tracks we race on and the design regulations.

race cars are restricted due to multiple factors, the tracks, setups, rules and restrictions, if there where unlimited (almost) restrictions on rules and money u get F1, hence there the fasters cars on the tracks they race on, i would bet my left nut to the fact our car would smash a F1 car at our SAE comp, but at spar it wouldn’t be a comparison, cause of design rules and the tightness of the track.

Anyone who thinks u can compare different race classes is a tool IMO, but saying that if u get a V8SC and rebuilt to compete in JGTC ud be surprised how they would compare.

MYB16

You can do it for shits and giggles though, right? Which is what I think the above couple of posts are getting at. Its fun to compare the raw numbers. Its the same as putting a Superbike against a Supercar. At the end of the day, they all produce a lap time..

Its the same as comparing the raw numbers that a Veyron spits out vs. that of a GTR35...You could not have two different cars built for two completely different reasons. But the figures they produce can be compared.

Benny88

all cars should be compared but we always keep in mind the variables because we are all intelligent car enthusiasts. it has been in my opinion for some time the v8sc is a bit of a joke its kind of like watching reruns of the Simpsons you have seen it a million times you already know what is going to happen but you watch it anyways. with no innovation the league gets stale and so do the road cars that they are trying to sell. sometimes i think about how race cars got to how they are now, it took years of new technology and forward thinking it also helps if progression is allowed. what if disc brakes were banned because they work to well, the current system is safe and secure but far from open minded and constructive. after all trial and error and forward thinking innovation are the way ahead otherwise we would still be chasing wild animals with rocks.

180sxy

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dwn4wateva

pretty fast

dwn4wateva

so v8s are better then jap cars

trommie

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GTRVspec95

More that the V8SC impose a higher restriction on their cars comparable to other international series.

To be honest the V8SC would probably be the back markers if there was ever to be an international race series with cars from DTM, ALM and Super GT