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7th August 2008 - 12:17 AM
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GTRVspec95
Post #42
QUOTE(Mundi_STR @ Aug 7 2008, 06:01 PM) [snapback]1282708317[/snapback] Asian cars are not tough, Holdens don't look tough - they look like fat old men, Italian cars are not meant to be 'tough', the veyron is an engineering exercise by VW blah blah blah. Toughest car? Series 1 landrover. I beg to differ ...   |
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clutch-monkey
Post #43
how the hell does something look 'tough'? how do we even define tough in this case? |
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Innocent_Commuter
Post #44
um..Matt black with spikes? |
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Charger 360
Post #45
That early GTR is very tough, the Dodge Ram SRT also very tough. But seriously who honestly thinks that little Alfa is a tough car - (i'm not saying it is unpleaseant or unattractive but there is no way tough would ever be a description of it) |
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Abercrombi3
Post #47
QUOTE(Innocent_Commuter @ Aug 7 2008, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1282708876[/snapback] um..Matt black with spikes? hmm... a certain d1nz driver comes to mind lol nah i think red is more appropriate  
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GTRVspec95
Post #48
QUOTE(Charger 360 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:17 PM) [snapback]1282708972[/snapback]  I still think the Camaro looks tougher ...    QUOTE(clutch-monkey @ Aug 7 2008, 08:19 PM) [snapback]1282708981[/snapback] i just don't get 'tough', mean, angry, is that what is meant? Anything that doesn't fit the 'beautiful' category ... broad square lines body lines, flared guards, raised hoods, muscular stances ... or ... almost everything thats not European 
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Charger 360
Post #49
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1282709056[/snapback] I still think the Camaro looks tougher ... Its amazing how similar these 2 are really - I would happily have either - but stupid Chrysler ain't building the Challenger in RHD. I reckon they are really pretty equal on the toughness scale. |
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GTRVspec95
Post #50
okay ... except for the possibility of Lamborghini QUOTE(Charger 360 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:39 PM) [snapback]1282709065[/snapback] Its amazing how similar these 2 are really - I would happily have either - but stupid Chrysler ain't building the Challenger in RHD. I reckon they are really pretty equal on the toughness scale. The deep set grille, bigger front bar, pumped rear and raised hood do it for me over the Challenger ... The Challenger has a real tough looking rear end to it but the designers feel asleep and forgot to put the good stuff on the front |
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clutch-monkey
Post #51
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1282709070[/snapback] okay ... except for the possibility of Lamborghini  TVR cerbera speed 12 or the old aston V8 Vantage? 
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GTRVspec95
Post #52
QUOTE(clutch-monkey @ Aug 7 2008, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1282709107[/snapback] TVR cerbera speed 12 or the old aston V8 Vantage? okay ... they can come and play too ...TVR Speed 12  ASTON MARTIN Vantage V8 
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Charger 360
Post #53
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1282709070[/snapback] okay ... except for the possibility of Lamborghini The deep set grille, bigger front bar, pumped rear and raised hood do it for me over the Challenger ... The Challenger has a real tough looking rear end to it but the designers feel asleep and forgot to put the good stuff on the front Challenger deep set grille - check Big Front bar - check  Pumped up rear -check  raised hood -check  For me extras like have wheel arch to wheel ratios correct on the Challenger with almost no gaps compared to the Camaros tippy toe stance and old school black spoiler on front air dam instead of too much plastic push it ahead of the Camaro. Probably also has something to do with thefact that I prefer Mopars to |
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the_random_hero
Post #56
QUOTE(WattsyLX @ Aug 7 2008, 05:56 PM) [snapback]1282708294[/snapback] Ford GTHO Phase III..... fastest production sedan in its day, shaker scoop hanging out the bonnet.... loud, fast and more mongrel than a wild Staffy! Pah, the Phase IV is where it was at
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blacky05
Post #57
QUOTE(clutch-monkey @ Aug 7 2008, 08:19 PM) [snapback]1282708981[/snapback] i just don't get 'tough', mean, angry, is that what is meant? You read my mind with the carmageddon. I just had that thought in my head and scrolled down to the next post which had it in it lol. Seriously though 
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mighty-toy-boy
Post #60
wow. |
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GTRVspec95
Post #61
QUOTE(Charger 360 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:58 PM) [snapback]1282709169[/snapback] Challenger deep set grille - check Big Front bar - check Pumped up rear -check raised hood -check For me extras like have wheel arch to wheel ratios correct on the Challenger with almost no gaps compared to the Camaros tippy toe stance and old school black spoiler on front air dam instead of too much plastic push it ahead of the Camaro. Probably also has something to do with thefact that I prefer Mopars to Nah ... The front looks like it's missing it's chin ... The raised hood looks a bit at odds with the rest of the car; having those twin side entries that go to ... ummm ... somewhere ?  And the grill on the Challenger looks no where near as tough as the sculpted effort of the Camaro ... as Jeremy Clarkson would say ... JUST LOOK AT IT !!! Just looking at the Camaro makes you feel like a Redneck  QUOTE(MYB16 @ Aug 7 2008, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1282709365[/snapback] I would have to say the Alfa SZ is a pretty tough/mean looking car. And its European Jamie   I fucking want one!! None in Australia. For some strange reason it reminds me of a BMW 850i ... thats gone horrible wrong  speaking of which ... BMW M3 CSL  Tough little Barvarian brawler
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Charger 360
Post #62
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 7 2008, 10:15 PM) [snapback]1282709542[/snapback] Nah ... The front looks like it's missing it's chin ... The raised hood looks a bit at odds with the rest of the car; having those twin side entries that go to ... ummm ... somewhere ? And the grill on the Challenger looks no where near as tough as the sculpted effort of the Camaro ... as Jeremy Clarkson would say ... JUST LOOK AT IT !!! Just looking at the Camaro makes you feel like a Redneck nah see that's where you gotta know your Mopar muscle cars - the raised bonnet is done in the same style as the air grabber hoods of the late 60's and 70's - to me a real strength of the car - remembering that it comes out of the factory like that. The Camaro's hood is just plain jane to me not tall enough to look even remotely similar to the induction hoods. The front tucked under look is the same as all the 60's and 70's muscle cars including the Camaro so is in keeping with the overall theme. The new camaro looks like it got messed up with Arnie - "too much chin and not enough brains." The grill I am proabbly going to have to concede on - it is a much tougher even though in close up / real life it isn't quite as nice as the initial images  But seriously what is going on with that ride height and wheel arches that are too big for the wheels. The aftermarket boys will fix that pretty quickly but surely the GM designers can see it as well. By the way this a really good conversation - shame we're not in a pub with a couple of beers. |
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GTRVspec95
Post #65
QUOTE(Charger 360 @ Aug 7 2008, 10:34 PM) [snapback]1282709647[/snapback] nah see that's where you gotta know your Mopar muscle cars - the raised bonnet is done in the same style as the air grabber hoods of the late 60's and 70's - to me a real strength of the car - remembering that it comes out of the factory like that. The Camaro's hood is just plain jane to me not tall enough to look even remotely similar to the induction hoods. The front tucked under look is the same as all the 60's and 70's muscle cars including the Camaro so is in keeping with the overall theme. The new camaro looks like it got messed up with Arnie - "too much chin and not enough brains." The grill I am proabbly going to have to concede on - it is a much tougher even though in close up / real life it isn't quite as nice as the initial images But seriously what is going on with that ride height and wheel arches that are too big for the wheels. The aftermarket boys will fix that pretty quickly but surely the GM designers can see it as well. By the way this a really good conversation - shame we're not in a pub with a couple of beers. Possibly this will be an edition for later Z28 models as they are initially releasing the LS. LT and SS first. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/camarospecs.pdf  The Arnie analogy is why muscle cars are so loved as there was nothing technologically advanced about them. They where just big engines shoe horned into chassis; that were probably not designed to hold them that went brutally fast 20 inch items are spec'd for the SS so that should fill out the rear, but they are only 8.5 and 9 inches wide so I'd like to see that hold out against 315kw/422hp and 533nm/408lb-ft + right foot  
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Charger 360
Post #68
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 7 2008, 10:54 PM) [snapback]1282709761[/snapback] The Arnie analogy is why muscle cars are so loved as there was nothing technologically advanced about them. They where just big engines shoe horned into chassis; that were probably not designed to hold them that went brutally fast yep nothing better than a big motor in a car that wasn't designed for it - can't afford the real american muscle that I'd really like to own so I'll just have to make do with my Charger (326RWHP from its 360 ci V8) - I'd happily park one of the Camaros (new or old) next to her in the garage anytime. 
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